man chases down home invader in car, shoots kills

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

If its just a difference in opinion then way make fun of those who think differently by calling them rednecks or chest thumpers?

I mean, I think your viewpoints related to self defense are ridiculous, but I give you credit because before I started reading your posts years ago I had no idea people actually thought like that. Seriously...it was eye opening.

Our biggest difference in this particular post is what we consider self defense. I consider what this guy did, chasing down the bad guys and doing some killing as self defense. To me defense is your response to a threat. These guys threatened him and his wife and he responded. It does not matter to me that he had to get untied and chase them down.

To me, true self defense = your life or limb is in danger, so you defend yourself. So the only way this case could be called "self defense" is if you wanted to make sure someone doesn't threaten your life in the future, assuming they ever will. And that's a pretty big gray area. I could see how it might be legitimate for someone to think "That burglar had a weapon and I don't want him to have the opportunity to come back again, or threaten someone else." But the law has to create boundaries in order to avoid a slippery slope. That's why this guy will probably face charges.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by tommymac

I would think at that point the threat no longer exsisted though. Theyre out of the house and hopefully long gone. Now I applaud what the guy did esp taking a few skells out of the gene pool, and would like to think if I owned a gun may do the same thing to at least try to retrieve my stuff.

Tom

Yea I understand what you're saying, but from my POV my property is now in danger and in order to defend it I have to chase it down and kill 4 guys. Defense to me means response. It means I didn't start the fight but I had to finish it. Luckily for me, my state law agrees:

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

Unfortunately for this guy his state probably doesn't see it that way and he is going to go to prison. Damn shame, but I sure wish more people would react the same way he did.

Let me add here, I own some nice Samurai swords and I would've cut those dudes hands off so I say they got off lucky. Chuck Norris BITCHES!

[Digifox]

Dumb shit.


Threw his life away...I dont care if he was 2 miles away when he caught him, the dumbass should have never broken into & tired them old people up.

I say Great job to the old guy.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Redneck vigilante justice: the American way.

Or at least, the way that some Americans wish it was. Even though less than 1% of those who claim to want that style of justice would have the guts to actually practice it if given the opportunity.

This isn't a guy that stole a case of beer and ran off. He forced his way with 3 others into the house using a gun, tied the couple up while he ransacked their home.

He is no fucking angel and I hope the old guy does not get charged.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

..... I don't think it's right to use deadly force against someone who no longer presents an equivalent force against you, and is simply running away with something they allegedly took from you......

These pieces of shit POINTED A GUN AND THEN TIED THE COUPLE UP ALL WHILE ROBBING THEIR HOUSE. They didn't simply grab an item and run. BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE IMO.

Let God sort him out now...

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

...and is simply running away with something they allegedly took from you.

Sign #1 you're talking too much like a news reporter.

I can see it now: 'Slice, just held captive by armed robbers as they rummaged through all his belongings, runs down the street screaming at the alleged thieves: "you allegedly stole my freshly ironed designer jeans!"

[Homeslice]

I say allegedly because if this was legal everywhere, people would just shoot someone and claim they were trying to steal their shit

And I don't own any designer jeans.......at the moment But I HAVE been hankering for a dark, dressy crosshatch-pattern straight-leg or slim cut, but without all the fake grass stains or fake rips that 90% of jeans have nowadays

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

To me, true self defense = your life or limb is in danger, so you defend yourself. So the only way this case could be called "self defense" is if you wanted to make sure someone doesn't threaten your life in the future, assuming they ever will. And that's a pretty big gray area. I could see how it might be legitimate for someone to think "That burglar had a weapon and I don't want him to have the opportunity to come back again, or threaten someone else." But the law has to create boundaries in order to avoid a slippery slope. That's why this guy will probably face charges.

I agree. I dont blame the old man for what he did, if someone tied me or my wife up and rob my house I might want to do the same thing he did. I just have a problem with people trying to call what he did self defense when if reality it was simply vengeance. Its only defense if you feel your life is in immediate danger and using your weapon is the only way out. The man was pissed and want to get back at the thieves so he chased them down and killed one.

The thieves deserved what happened to them but in a civilized society we cant have people running around exacting their own punishments.

[Tmall]

Why not? A man with a badge is suddenly infallible? That's been proven wrong time and time again.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by EpyonXero

I agree. I dont blame the old man for what he did, if someone tied me or my wife up and rob my house I might want to do the same thing he did. I just have a problem with people trying to call what he did self defense when if reality it was simply vengeance. Its only defense if you feel your life is in immediate danger and using your weapon is the only way out. The man was pissed and want to get back at the thieves so he chased them down and killed one.

The thieves deserved what happened to them but in a civilized society we cant have people running around exacting their own punishments.

But what you're also saying is that in a society we can't have people asking for the peaceful return of their possessions, and that is extremely unfortunate.