2012 Camaro ZL1 550 HP Supercharged

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Well, unlike the M6, it isn't a luxury vehicle.......so why does it need to weigh that much?

And btw I think the M6 is overweight as well.

Having a big engine doesn't necessarily require a heavy car to go with it. Even an engine like that probably weighs only, what, 200-400 lbs?

I consider both "GT" cars. The areas where the BMW has more weight due to luxury (though an M6 have much more than the Camaro would) are made up for by areas where BMW cut weight through spending like the carbon fiber roof. That's why I considered the two comparable.

For what you are talking about in a 2+2 coupe the Lotus Evora fits. You get the lightness (by around 1000lbs) and the fuel economy, but it costs a hell of a lot more, the interior makes the Camaro look like a Maybach, and you get the engine from a Camry.

The LS9 is over 500 lbs dry from what I have read. The supercharger, intercooler, and additional plumbing leave their mark in that respect.

Originally Posted by pauldun170

The only real competitor is the GT500. If you can deal with the awkward styling of the Camaro then you end up with the same issue that buyers of Corvettes faced for years.

"I'm spending how much money for THIS interior?"

I personally think the Camaro looks good. That is a matter of personal taste though. Supposedly the interior is better too, but I've never sat in one so I don't know how accurate that is.

Either way, if someone wants a very high performance 2+2 they can get this Camaro, the GT500 (with similar interior issues), or they are spending a ton more money. Really the only car that fixes all the complaints people have expressed about this Camaro is a 911 Turbo. The complaints I've heard are compromises GM had to make. The 911 shows that while those compromises can be avoided it costs a ton to do so.

[pauldun170]

Originally Posted by goof2

I consider both "GT" cars. The areas where the BMW has more weight due to luxury (though an M6 have much more than the Camaro would) are made up for by areas where BMW cut weight through spending like the carbon fiber roof. That's why I considered the two comparable.

For what you are talking about in a 2+2 coupe the Lotus Evora fits. You get the lightness (by around 1000lbs) and the fuel economy, but it costs a hell of a lot more, the interior makes the Camaro look like a Maybach, and you get the engine from a Camry.

The LS9 is over 500 lbs dry from what I have read. The supercharger, intercooler, and additional plumbing leave their mark in that respect.



I personally think the Camaro looks good. That is a matter of personal taste though. Supposedly the interior is better too, but I've never sat in one so I don't know how accurate that is.

Either way, if someone wants a very high performance 2+2 they can get this Camaro, the GT500 (with similar interior issues), or they are spending a ton more money. Really the only car that fixes all the complaints people have expressed about this Camaro is a 911 Turbo. The complaints I've heard are compromises GM had to make. The 911 shows that while those compromises can be avoided it costs a ton to do so.

Mustang interiors are supposed to pretty nice nowadays.
Camaro has a lot of awkward angles and it definitely a car that polarizes

[derf]

Also gm has had some fairly crappy interiors over the years, and while the pictures of the show model are usually better than thee final product. Anyway gm generally sucks.

[RACER X]

Z wants to get a camaro convert n a few yrs, I have no prob w that. I'd rather get an ol skool hot rod first


http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../1d37f2b695485







She's wanted 1 for a few yrs now, it's been about 8-9 yrs sine her '93 z28 was stolen

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by RACER X

Z wants to get a camaro convert n a few yrs, I have no prob w that. I'd rather get an ol skool hot rod first
http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../1d37f2b695485

Ooooh. Hey Dave, check out the '66 Riv

http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../494876h957430

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Adeptus_Minor

Ooooh. Hey Dave, check out the '66 Riv

http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../494876h957430

good lookin old boat. not the right one though, i always preferred the riv with the boat tail.

that 70' charger is pure sex. needs a 4spd though

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by Dave

that 70' charger is pure sex. needs a 4spd though

Indeed. Saw that too.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by RACER X

Z wants to get a camaro convert n a few yrs, I have no prob w that. I'd rather get an ol skool hot rod first


http://www.harwellmotors.com/muscle-.../1d37f2b695485







She's wanted 1 for a few yrs now, it's been about 8-9 yrs sine her '93 z28 was stolen

You know at the price of the new cars you could basically build a brand new 60's camaro vert with zero gm parts right? Hot rod did it and it was tight as fuck

[pauldun170]

I think the big issue with the the 50K Camaro is the fact the standard Corvette is available at the same price point and will likely offer comparable if not superior performance.

That being said I hope GM meets or exceeds their sales targets

[zlicius]

don't you have to get the Z06 vette to get this

"Magnetic Ride Control suspension"