I hope you die Polaris - Page 4

smileyman · 12-26-2010, 02:42 PM

All of the Toyota recall issues I am familiar with were design related and not QC issues...

Anyway I am not dissing foreign quality or trying to be racist. Mexican craftsman have skills, Italians hand make some of the graetest product ever, and everything I own that says made in Japan is high quality and built with pride.

I do think that companies like GM demand less or maybe expect less from products built overseas.

But that is not my arguement towards shifting jobs outsidethe US. My issue is that without jobs our economy can't turn around. Period.

Amber Lamps · 12-26-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

All of the Toyota recall issues I am familiar with were design related and not QC issues...

Anyway I am not dissing foreign quality or trying to be racist. Mexican craftsman have skills, Italians hand make some of the graetest product ever, and everything I own that says made in Japan is high quality and built with pride.

I do think that companies like GM demand less or maybe expect less from products built overseas.

But that is not my arguement towards shifting jobs outsidethe US. My issue is that without jobs our economy can't turn around. Period.

Uhuh...as I noted in the other thread, it's alright for you to talk all this mess while you drive your foreign car, ride your bike that is 90% foreign, watch your Korean/Japanese TV, type away on your Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean computer... It's a vicious circle and I don't claim to have the answers either. You sure won't catch me riding a Victory anytime in the near future...

I'm certainly not going to buy a product based solely on where it's made either. I will say this, if there are two equal products, at similar price points I will always buy the American made unit but that's as far as I'm willing to go.

azoomm · 12-26-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

You sure won't catch me riding a Victory anytime in the near future...

I led a demo at a local dealership here a few weeks ago... I'll just politely say it was an interesting day. They are certainly not BMW's

Any of you people complaining actually own businesses?

Gas Man · 12-26-2010, 05:32 PM

The mexican quality issues are racist. Its a proven fact. Further, a mexican engineer we know on our hhr forum said its not a mexican thing so much as the area of mexico where the hhr is assembled. That state of that area if u will. I can quote it later on a pc if needed.

smileyman · 12-26-2010, 06:16 PM

I wasnt trying to be racist at all but was making a sarcastic smart ass comment about snowmobiles made ina place that dont get snow. And yes I know Polaris makes products other than snow mobiles.
And wasnt saying BUY American either, buy the best product you can find. period.

American corporations that send jobs overseas still have my disdain tho, you aint talking me out of it either...

Amber Lamps · 12-26-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

I wasnt trying to be racist at all but was making a sarcastic smart ass comment about snowmobiles made ina place that dont get snow. And yes I know Polaris makes products other than snow mobiles.
And wasnt saying BUY American either, buy the best product you can find. period.

American corporations that send jobs overseas still have my disdain tho, you aint talking me out of it either...

So you are saying that American corporations shouldn't cut their expenses even though we don't buy their products? Oh okay, they should stay "loyal" to us even though we aren't loyal to them. Gotcha. It's all clear to me now, American corporations should keep their factories here and we get to keep buying our cheap products from overseas. You made the point that our economy can't recover unless we have jobs, true but companies can't stay in business if no one buys their products.

anthonyk · 12-26-2010, 08:16 PM

How about we start by overhauling our education system, so we go back to being the best at making and designing stuff (not necessarily cars and whatnot, either).

I've got a bit of experience hunting for technical/customer support folks, both inside and outside the US. Just as a couple of examples, I've had one center in Dallas, and another in India. The Dallas site was plagued with terrible grammar and spelling, and an awful work ethic. And it was freakin' expensive to boot. The India site has its issues for sure, but the language skills are surprisingly decent, absenteeism is low, and the cost is much, much less. I'm all about keeping jobs in the US, but unless we can get competitive again in the world labor market, we're going to keep missing out on jobs.

Particle Man · 12-26-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gas Man

Of course it makes sense. They can capitalize on polaris moving their stuff to mexico.

AC actually announced their intention to move away from Suzuki powerplants last year; well before Polaris' announcement.

pickle.of.doom · 12-26-2010, 11:43 PM

Dude imagine how many snowmobiles those mexicans are going to buy now though.....

.. oh wait

they don't know what snow is...

Amber Lamps · 12-27-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pickle.of.doom

Dude imagine how many snowmobiles those mexicans are going to buy now though.....

.. oh wait

they don't know what snow is...

Whatever, and I guess that Polaris only makes snowmoblies...DUH!

besides, who cares what the product is really? That's not the point. Foreign companies make a myriad of products I'm sure their workers have no idea what they are for... I've actually often wondered what Chinese workers must think about us while they are producing our junk.

I only have two points;

1. If we want American companies to manufacture goods here, we have to be economically feasible. We can't expect them to stay here out of some misplaced sense of nationalism or loyalty. it has to make good business sense.

2. If we want American companies to flourish we are going to have to buy their products. Period. If we are all out buying Nissans and Toyotas how in the fuck do you expect GM and Ford to survive?

Quite frankly, SM, if you really gave a damn about American companies/jobs you would have told your wife that she was going to have to "make due" with an American car. What's with the SRX?

Now before you all consider me to be a hypocrite, I'm not the one complaining about Polaris...

I think they did what they had to to stay in business...simple economics and business.

You can't have it both ways...

12-26-2010, 02:42 PM	#31
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	All of the Toyota recall issues I am familiar with were design related and not QC issues... Anyway I am not dissing foreign quality or trying to be racist. Mexican craftsman have skills, Italians hand make some of the graetest product ever, and everything I own that says made in Japan is high quality and built with pride. I do think that companies like GM demand less or maybe expect less from products built overseas. But that is not my arguement towards shifting jobs outsidethe US. My issue is that without jobs our economy can't turn around. Period. __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

12-26-2010, 06:16 PM	#35
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	I wasnt trying to be racist at all but was making a sarcastic smart ass comment about snowmobiles made ina place that dont get snow. And yes I know Polaris makes products other than snow mobiles. And wasnt saying BUY American either, buy the best product you can find. period. American corporations that send jobs overseas still have my disdain tho, you aint talking me out of it either... __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

12-26-2010, 11:43 PM	#39
pickle.of.doom el diablo de verde Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Howell, MI Moto: VTR, CBR, DRZSM Posts: 1,046	Dude imagine how many snowmobiles those mexicans are going to buy now though..... .. oh wait they don't know what snow is... __________________ WOS Forums

12-26-2010, 05:32 PM	#34
Gas Man Trip's Assistant Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Imported from Detroit Moto: 2009 HD Street Classic Posts: 12,149	The mexican quality issues are racist. Its a proven fact. Further, a mexican engineer we know on our hhr forum said its not a mexican thing so much as the area of mexico where the hhr is assembled. That state of that area if u will. I can quote it later on a pc if needed.

12-26-2010, 08:16 PM	#37
anthonyk WERA White Plate Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin, TX Moto: '01 Aprilia Falco Posts: 1,041	How about we start by overhauling our education system, so we go back to being the best at making and designing stuff (not necessarily cars and whatnot, either). I've got a bit of experience hunting for technical/customer support folks, both inside and outside the US. Just as a couple of examples, I've had one center in Dallas, and another in India. The Dallas site was plagued with terrible grammar and spelling, and an awful work ethic. And it was freakin' expensive to boot. The India site has its issues for sure, but the language skills are surprisingly decent, absenteeism is low, and the cost is much, much less. I'm all about keeping jobs in the US, but unless we can get competitive again in the world labor market, we're going to keep missing out on jobs.