Macho Man Dies

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Look at Arnold. He's a skinny old man. Look at Paul Teutel from OCC, he's obviously stopped juicing, and instantly turned into an old man.

You stop, and it deflates back to where it might normally be, I guess, minus all the wear and tear...

I would not call Arnold skinny at all. He's 63 so obviously he's not going to be huge anymore, but when he's dressed in a well-tailored suit he has the overall shape of an athlete half his age. Only thing that reveals his age is his facial features.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by azoomm

NO

denied...

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

I love how everybody is talking about steriods when he was a legendary coke user.

Your contention is that there is no relation between heavy long-term steroid use and heart disease/weakened heart valves?

[Trip]

Does steroids even matter in this case? Tons of people die of heart attacks well before 58 that have no steroid use whatsoever. You guys are morons.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Trip

Does steroids even matter in this case? Tons of people die of heart attacks well before 58 that have no steroid use whatsoever. You guys are morons.

/thread

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Your contention is that there is no relation between heavy long-term steroid use and heart disease/weakened heart valves?

Anyone that's studied steroids knows that long-term studies are lacking due to their status as an illegal drug, causal effects are murky when examined over prolonged durations for that reason combined with poor controls, and the "heart disease" risk isn't some mystical concept - it's an increased cholesterol level that contributes to plaque build up in arteries. It's not something particularly related to increased androgens in the blood stream that does damage, it's something that can be brought under control much like typical cholesterol levels are brought under control by normal individuals. Let's cut through the shit - steroids are synthetic testosterone, and have very much the same physical effects as testosterone, only posing significant health risks at supraphysiological dosages. This knowledge forms the basis of HRT, by the way, which doctors administer by calculating the dosage necessary to maintain a physiological level of testosterone.

And the "weakened heart valves" line is bullshit - cardio hypertrophy occurs regularly in athletes (hint: people using steroids aren't doing it to sit on the couch), and can result in death for any individual that has an enlarged heart as a result. See: the multiple high school athletes that have died as a result of this phenomena.

Also, for shits and giggles I googled it just to see where your hilariously specific mention came from: protip - know what you're talking about thoroughly before using google. Hint: the study placed no control on the dosages of long term users, and therefore the likelihood supraphysiological dosages were administered is more likely, in addition to not examining the cardio training done by said "weight lifters". Studies are shit without effective controls.

It's Lyle Alzado all over again - people choosing to blame steroids for the death, when cocaine, something we know for a fact leads to heart attacks and causes permanent heart damage regardless of dosage, is the more likely culprit. In Lyle Alzado's case it was the concussions brought about playing in the NFL that led to brain cancer, not the steroids.

Same shit. Same misattributed cause.

[Apoc]

Eityher way, the steroid arguement is moot. You do them knowing the consequences, its that simple.

Pot will give you lung cancer. So will cigs. Alcohol will destroy all your organs, especially your liver. Coke will destroy your heart, so will methamphetamine's.

But then, people who are perfectly clean suffer the same fates. Dont live for tomorrow, it isnt guaranteed.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Pot will give you lung cancer.

No, it fucking won't. That's simply a fucking lie, and you need to stop repeating it. Where the fuck do you get your info? Show your work, motherfucker.

From the largest study to date (1997 UCLA), I give you these three groups in their lung cancer ranking:

1) Cigarette smokers
2) Non-smokers
3) Heavy pot smokers

Now stop fucking making shit up, please.

[Homeslice]

^ Heavy pot smokers having less cancer than non-smokers? I am calling bs. Yeah, I know the claim that pot acts as an "expectorant", but please......if you're a "heavy" smoker of ANYTHING, you're going to cause some damage. Besides, why even smoke it when there are safer ways of using it?

[Avatard]

Dude, it was all over the news. I posted links. It's the largest study ever done. The heavy pot smokers were the least likely to develop lung cancer.

If that fucks with your reality too much, you probably want to ignore the statistic that chronic alcohol drinkers outlive non-drinkers also.