Suck on that Toyota

[defector]

And so it begins....

http://www.wkrg.com/consumer/article...-2010_2-53-pm/

[Papa_Complex]

If it's legal then it's a loophole, not fraud. If they were given standards to work to, and they did so, then it was government that failed.

... in the same way that they failed to curtail GM, Ford, and Chrysler when they started selling "light trucks" as passenger vehicles.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

If it's legal then it's a loophole, not fraud. If they were given standards to work to, and they did so, then it was government that failed.

... in the same way that they failed to curtail GM, Ford, and Chrysler when they started selling "light trucks" as passenger vehicles.

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

So do you trust a car company with your life that tries to find loopholes in shit? I mean come on. The regulation LIKE ALL OF THE OTHER OBD2 regulation was designed to work in the real world. In the Enhanced EVAP case, the EPA 23 test was only the test that the government used. And to clarify, it wasn't a matter that Toyota made sure it ran on the government testing route, moreso that the software ONLY ran the diagnostic when it detected that the governemt test was running. That IMO is fraud. They purposely detected that the specific government test was running and ONLY ran the diagnostic then; never in the real world. This was the reason CARB sued Toyota...and IIRC, Toyota did pay 200 million for it.

No, I don't trust car companies. I go by my experience. That's why I went back to a Japanese vehicle.

[Dave]

how is it a ''sudden problem'' if its existed more than five years

[Dave]

again, if you crash from a runaway throttle your ass shouldnt be driving

[Cutty72]

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

[Particle Man]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

I had 2 explorers, both of which came with Firestones and I drove them until they were almost bald and then replaced then (with Goodyear tires becuse I prefer the ride on their RT/S tires) and never had a single problem.

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

Originally Posted by Particle Man

I had 2 explorers, both of which came with Firestones and I drove them until they were almost bald and then replaced then (with Goodyear tires becuse I prefer the ride on their RT/S tires) and never had a single problem.

i sold tires in the early mid 90's, i sold so many NTB said i was the top salesman in the country (sent me on a 1 wk cruise to the caribean) anyways i saw more delaminated firestones then any other tire make at that time, and mostly on exploders.

was it the tire's fault entirely........i doubt it, but it sure didn't help.

it was a combo of stupid drivers, bad veh design and poor tires

stupid drivers thinking they were driving cars vs SUVs, and not realizing a higher COG
stupid drivers not knowing the air pressures and where they shoulda been
stupid drivers driving around w/ delaminating tires and ignoring the problem, and only taking care of it when a tire "sepreated" and tore up the car w/ the flapping tire skin...

even had an Texas A&M scientist come to my shop w/ a court order to try on all sorts of tire sizes so he could measure the ride height of a sport exploder w/ diff. tires.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Cutty72

Yeah, Ford blamed Firestone, Firestone blamed the Explorer. I had an explorer with Firestone tires and it was fine. I blamed the idiot drivers.

So do I. Unfortunately instead of using this issue as an example to demonstrate to those idiot drivers that tire pressure needs to be checked occasionally, the nanny state government kindly decided to mandate I pay for a Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) in any 2008 or newer car. I already have a doubly redundant TPMS. Stage one is my eyes. If I see a fucking tire is low I put air in it. Stage two is a fucking pressure gauge in my glove box that I occasionally use to check the actual pressure. The Government hard at work.