charge thieves w/ dog's death? - Page 4

Avatard · 12-30-2009, 03:09 PM

Yes, but if someone was "attacked" by a human officer, who went beyond what is required to apprehend the suspect, and in fact was threatening the life of the suspect, then this would be a rather important mitigating fact, no? If we are to treat the K9 as a police officer, then the same limits regarding necessary force apply. With no handler in sight, the dog was not controlled to prevent crossing such boundaries of conduct.

RACER X · 12-30-2009, 03:09 PM

shoulda just shot the lil fuks, all this woulda been avoided + the lengthy trial and jail and future robberies.

Avatard · 12-30-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RACER X

actually i think once the dog has a hold he stays in the spot arm/leg/body part in mouth, now if perp keeps fighting, dog keeps on going till perp stops fighting and yes w/ dog latched onto arm.

A perp, especially a young kid, may not know what the dog is trained to do, and how to react. He may only fear for his life, being attacked by an animal with no handler in sight.

RACER X · 12-30-2009, 03:15 PM

oh well

Avatard · 12-30-2009, 03:16 PM

Racer X, we have laws of conduct, even for cops.

Papa_Complex · 12-30-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

A perp, especially a young kid, may not know what the dog is trained to do, and how to react. He may only fear for his life, being attacked by an animal with no handler in sight.

I have to say that 15 and 17 are old enough to know right from wrong. A police dog is considered an officer, not a tool. As they say, ignorance of the law is no excuse and as I say, this hinges upon whether or not the teens were involved in the robbery. If they were, they're hooped.

karl_1052 · 12-30-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Avatard

Yes, but if someone was "attacked" by a human officer, who went beyond what is required to apprehend the suspect, and in fact was threatening the life of the suspect, then this would be a rather important mitigating fact, no? If we are to treat the K9 as a police officer, then the same limits regarding necessary force apply. With no handler in sight, the dog was not controlled to prevent crossing such boundaries of conduct.

I have seen videos of police dogs that did not let up, until the handler physically had to hit the dog to get him to let up. How is the suspect supposed to know that the dog and handler will react like they are supposed to.

Hey Ed, ever hear of due process? If someone is suspected of a crime, does that mean they are automatically guilty?

Avatard · 12-30-2009, 03:48 PM

In Ed's mind, yes. Until it's him, of course.

12-30-2009, 03:09 PM	#31
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	[Armchair Lawyer hat on] Yes, but if someone was "attacked" by a human officer, who went beyond what is required to apprehend the suspect, and in fact was threatening the life of the suspect, then this would be a rather important mitigating fact, no? If we are to treat the K9 as a police officer, then the same limits regarding necessary force apply. With no handler in sight, the dog was not controlled to prevent crossing such boundaries of conduct. __________________ Insert free thought here. Last edited by Avatard; 12-30-2009 at 03:15 PM..

12-30-2009, 03:09 PM	#32
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12-30-2009, 03:15 PM	#34
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	oh well __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

12-30-2009, 03:16 PM	#35
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	Racer X, we have laws of conduct, even for cops. __________________ Insert free thought here.

12-30-2009, 03:48 PM	#38
Avatard Crotch Rocket Curmudgeon Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Here to integrity Moto: Li'l red baby Ninja Posts: 7,482	In Ed's mind, yes. Until it's him, of course. __________________ Insert free thought here.