Student quits high school choir over Islamic song

[pauldun170]

If I ever decide to take religion seriously and get all indoctrinated...I'm so going to chart up motherfucking threads like this.

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[jtemple]

I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination. If my kid came to me whining about having to sing something about Allah, I'd tell him to STFU and sing the damn song.

[EpyonXero]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Yet somehow, when speaking English, Jews worship God, Christians worship Christ, and Muslims still worship Allah. I understand that Mohammed ripped off the Jews and the Christians, right down to claiming the angel Gabriel as his primary messenger. Doesn't mean they are the same gods. The Jewish god has yet to send a messiah, and pretty much only cares about ethnic Jews. The Christian god sent "himself" as a messiah 2000 years ago. The Muslim god has no need for messiahs, I guess Mohammed was blessing enough.

People like to say "they are the same God" or "Muslims worship the same God as 'we' do" as a means of defusing enmity among the three religions. But doing so ignores the reasons for that enmity. They are separate religions, separate stories with markedly different "endings," and separate gods.

That said, the song was in Urdu. It was a reference to the Muslim god. And I still don't care that James Harper wants to quit choir over it. Join a church choir if it means that much to you, Jimbo.

The New Testament explicitly says that the God of Jesus is the same God of Abraham. The Koran says the same thing, thats my point. Whether or not people decide that they want their own custom god that isnt associated with those other people, whoever they may be, is irrelevant to the historical facts.

[fatbuckRTO]

And my point is that the song was referring to the Muslim god. Which, today, is a different god than that of the Jews and the Christians, whose gods are also different from each other.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

And my point is that the song was referring to the Muslim god. Which, today, is a different god than that of the Jews and the Christians, whose gods are also different from each other.

Same God. Different style of worship. They even share some of the same books, as I stated previously. Facts don't change.

[Lamnidae]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Same God. Different style of worship. They even share some of the same books, as I stated previously. Facts don't change.

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IIRC isn't Jesus supposed to be a type of prophet in Mohammed's eyes?


But anyways, like I said, my thing is differance in the way it's applied. I don't see the ACLU crying fowl over this because theyr'e pushing "god" and religion on people.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Amblyopic

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IIRC isn't Jesus supposed to be a type of prophet in Mohammed's eyes?


But anyways, like I said, my thing is differance in the way it's applied. I don't see the ACLU crying fowl over this because theyr'e pushing "god" and religion on people.

It's been a while but if I recall correctly from my readings he's a prophet and, more importantly, the prophet who returns at the end of things.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Same God. Different style of worship. They even share some of the same books, as I stated previously. Facts don't change.

If they were the same god, the different styles of worship would describe denominations. They are different religions, at least according to those who practice them.

At this point it's a semantic argument, I think. I understand the three share holy books, some dogmas, and a lot of history (both verified and dogmatic). But they are different gods in my book, by my definition of what makes a thing "different" from another thing. To a Christian, worship of the Muslim god is idolatry, and if it goes without a belief in Christ as the savior (a god) it's a path to hell. To a Muslim, belief in Christ as a god is idolatry, and denial of Mohammed as the prophet is some sort of sin. A Jew would also consider worship of Christ as idolatry.*


* These are, of course, the "by-the-book" dogmatic views, as I understand them. I get that some Christians don't believe in hell, some Jews eat shellfish, and some Muslims have probably never even heard of Gabriel.

[derf]

Soooo, possible fallout for the kid? Think this will hurt him academically? hurt his applications to colleges? This sort of falls into the lack of respect for others category the 3way I see it.

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by derf

the 3way I see it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Now I'm supposed to answer not only whether they are three different deities, but whether those three could fornicate?

Although, if they are the same god, the implications are mind-boggling...