Rode my 1st Harley Davidson - Page 3

Gas Man · 10-08-2008, 01:11 PM

Marko is wise...

fnfalman · 10-08-2008, 02:24 PM

Nothing wrong with Harley that good old fashion German engineering can't cure.

nhgunnut · 10-08-2008, 02:31 PM

"I like pushrod engines. Obviously. My Buell is a pushrod twin. It's a phenomenal motor. If you disagree, you've obviously never put any amount of time on one. "

Marco not to be oppositional but Back in 06 when I was looking for a twin sport bike I spent 4 hours on a used XB12 Which because of its looks I wanted to like. What I found was that it had excellent braking the chassis was set up perfectly for someone of my weight and that in comparison to every other V Twin sport bike I rode IMHO throttle response was lacking and simply did not live up to the Jap 1 liter RC51 TLR or the Ducati I rode.
I chose the Ducati 999.
I am not slamming Buells but my experience with them limited as it is tells me that the engine desinged in 1936 has been the limiting factor in Beull developing a major following
I know I am in the Minority in the Cruiser crowd when I say this but there is NOTHING that a push rod engine does that can't be done better by a a OHC engine

marko138 · 10-08-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

"I like pushrod engines. Obviously. My Buell is a pushrod twin. It's a phenomenal motor. If you disagree, you've obviously never put any amount of time on one. "

Marco not to be oppositional but Back in 06 when I was looking for a twin sport bike I spent 4 hours on a used XB12 Which because of its looks I wanted to like. What I found was that it had excellent braking the chassis was set up perfectly for someone of my weight and that in comparison to every other V Twin sport bike I rode IMHO throttle response was lacking and simply did not live up to the Jap 1 liter RC51 TLR or the Ducati I rode.
I chose the Ducati 999.
I am not slamming Buells but my experience with them limited as it is tells me that the engine desinged in 1936 has been the limiting factor in Beull developing a major following
I know I am in the Minority in the Cruiser crowd when I say this but there is NOTHING that a push rod engine does that can't be done better by a a OHC engine

I'd take a 999 over a Buell too. No question. The throttle response on mine is fantastic. There is a small stumble right from closed throttle to open...but after that it's buttery smooth.

I have heard of several instances where there are drastic differences between Buell motorcycles. I dont know why there are such inconsistencies...but mine has been flawless and trouble free. I have read the exact opposite from guys who own the same year and model.

fnfalman · 10-08-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

I know I am in the Minority in the Cruiser crowd when I say this but there is NOTHING that a push rod engine does that can't be done better by a a OHC engine

Hence BMW is revising their aircooled boxer twin line to go to DOHC starting with the HP 2 Sport.

marko138 · 10-08-2008, 04:16 PM

Moved this thread to 'model review' section.

Antwanny · 10-08-2008, 09:41 PM

A guy at school has one, pretty sweet not my taste but its cool in its own right. They haul ass btw
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Shift · 10-08-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nhgunnut

NOTHING that a push rod engine does that can't be done better by a a OHC engine

I think GM and it's LTx and LSx motors would disagree....

Especially if your talking about just a SOHC, DOHC breaths a hell of a lot better of course.

And like Ebbs said below me, what are you basing better off of. More peak Hp, higher reving, more tq, theres a lot of dif factors which come into play.

Mr Lefty · 10-08-2008, 09:48 PM

well first you'd have to define "better" more effecent? or more power?

Dnyce · 10-09-2008, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shift

I think GM and it's LTx and LSx motors would disagree....

Especially if your talking about just a SOHC, DOHC breaths a hell of a lot better of course.

And like Ebbs said below me, what are you basing better off of. More peak Hp, higher reving, more tq, theres a lot of dif factors which come into play.

im pretty sure he was referring to motorcycle engines only(its a bike forum). and in that aspect, hes right. the jap cruisers are sneakily watercooled, and im 100% positive they only have pushrods for looks-theyre cutting into the harley market, and its gotta have a certain look to steal their buyers

same displacement wise-what aircooled pushrod twin makes the same hp, revs as high, same torque, same efficiency as a watercooled i4?

that being said tho, u dont buy harleys to haul ass.

when the vrod came out it was harleys most powerful engine ever, while still being the smallest engine(atleast when it came out, think its alil bigger now but so are the other engines) theyve used since like the 60's, its watercooled and has no push rods....

they see the light lol, its just they only turn it on when they want to. cant back up the vrod name with that crap ass twin cam. u get gd shit otherwise, brakes, susp, efi, fit and finish, but their core consumers dont really ask for more power anyway.

thats how i see it anyway

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nhgunnut gun totin redneck Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South West New Hampshire Moto: turbo busa 999 Duc Goldwing & Victory Posts: 1,130	"I like pushrod engines. Obviously. My Buell is a pushrod twin. It's a phenomenal motor. If you disagree, you've obviously never put any amount of time on one. " Marco not to be oppositional but Back in 06 when I was looking for a twin sport bike I spent 4 hours on a used XB12 Which because of its looks I wanted to like. What I found was that it had excellent braking the chassis was set up perfectly for someone of my weight and that in comparison to every other V Twin sport bike I rode IMHO throttle response was lacking and simply did not live up to the Jap 1 liter RC51 TLR or the Ducati I rode. I chose the Ducati 999. I am not slamming Buells but my experience with them limited as it is tells me that the engine desinged in 1936 has been the limiting factor in Beull developing a major following I know I am in the Minority in the Cruiser crowd when I say this but there is NOTHING that a push rod engine does that can't be done better by a a OHC engine

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Mr Lefty TWFix Legend Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Denver CO Moto: 01 BMW F650GS Dakar Posts: 15,677	well first you'd have to define "better" more effecent? or more power?