I hope you die Polaris

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by racedoll

This sucks. I hate that manufacturing is taken out of this country.

Exactly. When does it stop?

Originally Posted by smileyman

I have no idea if Polaris workers have a union or not. I can tell you that the corps I refer to make a profit certainly. But selling out US jobs for cheaper foreign labor will eventually run them out of customers. No national economy can run off pure consupmtion. There has to be manufacturing, agriculture, and value added. Other wise the 2/3 s of our economy stimulated by consumer consumption stalls out and guess who we belong to then? The people that have the capitol to build and buy.

Exactly as well. We can't just be a nation of consumers. How do we expect to survive when we don't make anything?

Originally Posted by Particle Man

Meanwhile, Arctic Cat is bringing the manufacturing of their engines back INhouse.

Originally Posted by Amber Lamps

Probably because it makes economic sense...

Of course it makes sense. They can capitalize on polaris moving their stuff to mexico.

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

While I hat the idea that 500 more are loosing their jobs, what often gets missed is that probably 10 of thousands of stockholders (that includes peoples pension plans) will either make a bit more or lose a little less.
None of this is new, HD has made sporters in central and south america for a while now as well as opening a plant in India.

The difference... HD does assembly in those countries to sell those assembled bikes in those countries to avoid those countries hefty import taxing. Good move by HD to increase sales in those countries and great move by those countries for securing jobs in their own country. We should take notes.

Don't blame nafta, don't blame the corperations... just blame the govt. A hefty import tax would level the playing field. Stock holders just want more profit, so just make it more profitable to keep jobs here!

[smileyman]

I'm not the least bit concerned with any companies survival. Only the countries survival and protecting our place in the global economy.

Simply, the company pays US workers who are taxed on their income. Then the worker buys goods and services, paying taxes yet again. If they dont earn, no amount of increase in their stock portfolio is gonna make up the difference and the wheel stops rolling.

Foreign workers dont pay us taxes, foreign workers dont spend there money here. US Corporations move their manufacturing out of country so they dont have to pay taxes, infrastructure costs and get cheaper labor. Meanwhile they dodge tarrifs by being 'an American owned subsidiary'. They take more out of our system than they put back. So that to me is greedy and irresponsible.

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by smileyman

I'm not the least bit concerned with any companies survival. Only the countries survival and protecting our place in the global economy.

Simply, the company pays US workers who are taxed on their income. Then the worker buys goods and services, paying taxes yet again. If they dont earn, no amount of increase in their stock portfolio is gonna make up the difference and the wheel stops rolling.

Foreign workers dont pay us taxes, foreign workers dont spend there money here. US Corporations move their manufacturing out of country so they dont have to pay taxes, infrastructure costs and get cheaper labor. Meanwhile they dodge tarrifs by being 'an American owned subsidiary'. They take more out of our system than they put back. So that to me is greedy and irresponsible.

I love your wisdom...

Does that mean I heart you? I sure hope not.

[smileyman]

I think we are on the same page. And I think some in this thread missunderstand the problem or they would likely be in agreement as well. It is simple stewardship.

I learned along time ago that it isnt the hoarding of money that brings prosperity, it is the circulation that brings prosperity. It has to be collected and reinvested to bloom again.

[Gas Man]

Exactly

[Amber Lamps]

yea well what you guys don't seem to get is that companies hqve to mqke money to be able to invest. Yoi all are acting as if Polaris locked up all of their US operations and moved them overseas. There still thousands of employees for them to worry about.

Also to the idea that the "government" should impose heavy tariffs on foreign goods...um, do either of you economic geniuses know who pays those fees in the end? WE DO! Basically, instead of American companies making a product that I'd want to buy, you all want to make foriegn motorcycles too expensive so I'll forced to buy crappy US bikes. There you go, let's make things harder on the rest of us to prop up american companies. Great idea!

If Polaris made bikes that people wanted to buy they wouldn't have to lay people off.

[smileyman]

Eventually A.L. No one will be able to afford foreign or domestic if we dont have jobs to earn money. Simple as that.

Polaris is not going out of business, they are doing just what GM and alot of other corporations are doing. and that is maximizing their corporate balance sheet while investing capitol in China, South America, ect. Remember when GM was bankrupt? The paid that stimulus money back awfully quickly for a bankrupt company.
And I am not even touching the quality control issues of having mexicans assembling snow mobiles...

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by smileyman

Eventually A.L. No one will be able to afford foreign or domestic if we dont have jobs to earn money. Simple as that.

Polaris is not going out of business, they are doing just what GM and alot of other corporations are doing. and that is maximizing their corporate balance sheet while investing capitol in China, South America, ect. Remember when GM was bankrupt? The paid that stimulus money back awfully quickly for a bankrupt company.
And I am not even touching the quality control issues of having mexicans assembling snow mobiles...

Uhuh...remember the quality control issues Toyota had recently? Guess where those parts were made...

I don't know about you but I grew up in a family of factory workers and I've worked in factories... Let me ask you this, what difference does it make if the factories are IN Mexico or if Mexicans work in them HERE? You're not going to convince me that Mexican workers take less pride in their work than American workers...again I've been in these factories. besides, look around your house, I guarantee that you have several things "Hencho en Mexico", some of them a hell of a lot more difficult to assemble than a fricken snowmobile... To say that Mexicans don't have the same work ethic or skill as American workers is just racist, ignorant and frankly unexpected from someone that I had a great deal of respect for...

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

Exactly. When does it stop?

When the premium you pay to keep the work in the US is justified by some increase in quality over offshore workers. I know lots of people like to think that there's always a loss in quality when you send stuff overseas, but it's just not true. Sometimes you get the same quality with lower cost, and in some industries (e.g. programming) you can get better quality overseas.

[Amber Lamps]

Originally Posted by anthonyk

When the premium you pay to keep the work in the US is justified by some increase in quality over offshore workers. I know lots of people like to think that there's always a loss in quality when you send stuff overseas, but it's just not true. Sometimes you get the same quality with lower cost, and in some industries (e.g. programming) you can get better quality overseas.

Exactly! I have no idea why people think that good products can't be made overseas? no offense to factory workers but it's not rocket science... I've worked in factories and it is repetetive, mind numbing and BORING!!! Anyone can do it. What we need to do is automate factory work and get busy educating our population better so they don't have to work in factories (or join the military ) just to scrape up a living...