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Join Date: Nov 2008
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ok but (it may be different there) here what we do to get teachers in the inner city is we give them a free education, in return for 2 years of teaching in the city. then they are free to go where ever. the hope is and it works now and then, that they will like the job or truly want to help so they will stay for a while. we have some good teachers in the city but they tend to get run out by unruly students and worse parents. yes many of our teachers end up in the suburb schools and what they have done to equalize the education for everyone is allow school choice so inner city kids can be bussed out to suburbs if their parents choose. |
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Kinda how it should be but the unions wil never go for it. The funny/sad thing about it is I am actualy part of the teachers union for some reason. I guess the state employees at the hospital got lumped in with them. |
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I bet its the same here, teachers just get burnt out after a while and look to go elsewhere. |
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It's a vicious circle. Teachers get ridden for the decline of the educational system, which demotivates them to make any improvements. They're rated on ridiculous testing standards, that are supposed to rate how well they teach the students, so they only teach the students how to write the tests.
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I don't pretend to know much about teachers wages, benefits, and whatnot across the US, but I do know this... Of ALL of the teachers I know... and I know several... If you factor in the fact that they work 3/4 of a year instead of a full year, they make just as much money - or more - than the middle class mean. Looking at the wages, people somehow always seem to forget that they do not work a full year... $30k/yr for 9 mos out of the year = $40k compared to the rest of us. That's a siginificant difference.
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Nomadic Tribesman
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If you don't make that money, then you don't make that money. It's not like you miraculously don't have to pay your mortgage/rent or buy food, for three months of the year.
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That means one of two things are going to happen: 1) teachers are only going to teach to tests and the kids won't learn jack shit except rote memorization 2) numbers will get fudged, especially on English exams or more subjective tests You can't take a numbers based outcome approach to education, especially when you factor in each students' aptitude and ability. It just won't work. This is why I left the teaching profession to begin with: I don't agree with basing everything on standardized testing.
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Hold mah beer!
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Tenure is a lot more common here. Elementary school teachers get it. My mother in law teaches 5th grade and has it.
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The changes in Wisconsin place the Public Employees in precisely the same bargaining position as our Federal Employees. Unions there have lost the ability to demand that you join them, or collect dues from non members. They also now have to deal with each Community Individually and live within the means of those Communities. For the Record I admire Teachers, I tech ins a corrections environment, I Don't believe society Values Teachers enough . Unions here in the states however have grown from once being the protector of workers into power hungry organizations who routinely seek power and money at the expense of those they are supposed to represent. AFLCIO Chairmen makes declares a Salary (before bonuses and merit review) of $480k yearly. If the US is to ever to get to a stable economy it needs to control the unions. Oh and by the way if a teacher has more input in your child's life than you do , You are a Piss Poor Parent! and I or someone like me will in all likelihood will be getting to teach your kids at some point.
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