Ufc 94

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by JoJoYZF

I never saw Pierre get winded, but he absolutely dominated every aspect of that fight. I cant believe Penn thought it was a good idea to bump up a weight class to fight GSP.

I cant stand Machida, this was the second fight that he just ran away from his opponent and would come back to throw one shot, and then just run some more.

Machida whooped dudes ass, there's not really more you can say about that. If someone went in with a gameplan that forced that dude out of his comfort zone (which obviously is counter-attacking), then we'd see what he's all about. If everyone keeps coming at him and plays his game, we'll see that guy do well.

I sorta expected the Penn/Pierre fight to end up that way, but I was hoping not. Pierre is just too strong for Penn to compete with at that weight. Penn looked pretty decent in the first round, then Pierre just dominated... Penn couldn't do shit. I'm interested in seeing how Penn comes back when he drops back down to his proper weight class.

I'll tell you who excited me the most... Jon Jones or whatever the fuck that guy's name was... Unorthodox, fast, powerful, and fantastic takedowns. Bonner has never been one to impress me, but he's a solid competitor and tough as nails... Ol' dude just kicked his ass. With better conditioning and a more rounded game (some maturity) that guy's gonna be cash money.

[Quick281]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Machida whooped dudes ass, there's not really more you can say about that. If someone went in with a gameplan that forced that dude out of his comfort zone (which obviously is counter-attacking), then we'd see what he's all about. If everyone keeps coming at him and plays his game, we'll see that guy do well.

I sorta expected the Penn/Pierre fight to end up that way, but I was hoping not. Pierre is just too strong for Penn to compete with at that weight. Penn looked pretty decent in the first round, then Pierre just dominated... Penn couldn't do shit. I'm interested in seeing how Penn comes back when he drops back down to his proper weight class.

I'll tell you who excited me the most... Jon Jones or whatever the fuck that guy's name was... Unorthodox, fast, powerful, and fantastic takedowns. Bonner has never been one to impress me, but he's a solid competitor and tough as nails... Ol' dude just kicked his ass. With better conditioning and a more rounded game (some maturity) that guy's gonna be cash money.

Could not agree with you more about the Jon Jones guy. He was very in control of that entire fight but I give props to the other guy who took the hits and kept on trucking. Jon Jones does have a bright future indeed.

Having not followed UFC in quite some time I didn't realize that Penn had done up a weight class to fight GSP. I suppose that helps to explain how things went down.

[JoJoYZF]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Machida whooped dudes ass, there's not really more you can say about that. If someone went in with a gameplan that forced that dude out of his comfort zone (which obviously is counter-attacking), then we'd see what he's all about. If everyone keeps coming at him and plays his game, we'll see that guy do well.

I sorta expected the Penn/Pierre fight to end up that way, but I was hoping not. Pierre is just too strong for Penn to compete with at that weight. Penn looked pretty decent in the first round, then Pierre just dominated... Penn couldn't do shit. I'm interested in seeing how Penn comes back when he drops back down to his proper weight class.

I'll tell you who excited me the most... Jon Jones or whatever the fuck that guy's name was... Unorthodox, fast, powerful, and fantastic takedowns. Bonner has never been one to impress me, but he's a solid competitor and tough as nails... Ol' dude just kicked his ass. With better conditioning and a more rounded game (some maturity) that guy's gonna be cash money.

True, he does execute his game plan very well, but the ortiz fight still sucked to me due to the fact that he ran away for most of it.

And Jon Jones was definitely a beast. I had never heard of him before last night but that guy is gonna be tough for anyone to handle if he fights like he did last night.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by JoJoYZF

True, he does execute his game plan very well, but the ortiz fight still sucked to me due to the fact that he ran away for most of it.

And Jon Jones was definitely a beast. I had never heard of him before last night but that guy is gonna be tough for anyone to handle if he fights like he did last night.

I still say Machida is smart... Dude's been hit less than anyone in the UFC... I think the whole point is to inflict damage without getting hit, right?

JJ needs conditioning... He was a wet noodle in the 3rd round...

[JoJoYZF]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

I still say Machida is smart... Dude's been hit less than anyone in the UFC... I think the whole point is to inflict damage without getting hit, right?

JJ needs conditioning... He was a wet noodle in the 3rd round...

I can see how its a great fight plan and everything but Id like to see him actually push the action more. Instead of running around for 3 rounds and occasionally attacking, why not just push the pace.

And he definitely did seem to wear himself out after the first 2 rounds. He was great until then, so if he gets the stamina in check he could be a beast.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by JoJoYZF

I can see how its a great fight plan and everything but Id like to see him actually push the action more. Instead of running around for 3 rounds and occasionally attacking, why not just push the pace.

And he definitely did seem to wear himself out after the first 2 rounds. He was great until then, so if he gets the stamina in check he could be a beast.

Why not push the pace? Why don't you ask Thiago Silva that question?

[JoJoYZF]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Why not push the pace? Why don't you ask Thiago Silva that question?

I understand that, but also just explaining why I dont like him as a fighter. I have a hard time being entertained by watching a fight where one guy just runs around for the whole thing. Still respect his abilities, but not a fan.

[Mr Lefty]

I didn't see the fight... but what do you think?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma...urn=mma,138156

Did GSP's corner cheat to give him an edge?

By Steve Cofield




After a dominating victory over B.J. Penn at UFC 94, Georges St. Pierre is clearly the better fighter. GSP left no doubt. And yet now there is, thanks to one of his cornermen, Phil Nurse. It's pretty clear by watching the video that Nurse had some Vaseline on his hands when he rubbed St. Pierre's shoulders, back and chest between the first and second rounds.

Why is that a big deal in mixed martial arts? It's significant because of all the grappling and maneuvering that takes place on the ground. St. Pierre was on top of Penn in the second round and the Hawaiian tried several times to shift his legs up to work for a triangle choke or an armbar. Grip and some friction is huge in these cases and a slippery fighter would make it more difficult to lock on one of those holds. Above you can see, Nurse apply Vaseline to GSP's face, then get more Vaseline, then rub his shoulders, arms and back.

Penn's trainer Rudy Valentino told InsideFighting that St. Pierre cheated and the Vaseline thwarted his fighter's strategy:

"To cheat to win is not honorable. Why need another edge? Our gameplan was on the ground, not striking because we knew Georges had good kicks. We planned to work off the back."

Valentino says they warned the Nevada State Athletic Commission before the fight alleging that St. Pierre did it before their meeting in 2006 and that Matt Serra's camp claimed the same thing happened in Serra's second fight against GSP.

Greg Jackson, GSP's trainer hurt his reputation according to Valentino:

"I respect Greg Jackson but to do something like that, his integrity has been compromised."

Jackson told his side of the story to MMAWeekly:

"In between rounds, you always want to put on vaseline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest."

Watching the scenarios (1, 2, 3), show Nurse did more than tap the chest and rub a little point on GSP's back.

Jackson chalked all of this up to an overreaction by the NSAC:

"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vaseline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all."

"The Commission" was actually NSAC executive director Keith Kizer. He bolted into the cage when he saw Nurse doing the same thing between the second and third rounds. Cage Writer spoke with Kizer after the fight and he was still steaming, saying that the rubbing of the back with Vaseline was completely inappropriate. But he was unsure if it had been done between the first and second.

UFC president Dana White also thought it was a serious violation:

"I saw the commission jump up there and flip out," said White. "They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think. I personally didn't see it, the commission did. And that's about as illegal as you can get... I'm sure the commission is going to deal (with it)."

White didn't believe that it affected the outcome of the fight but he re-stated that illegal is illegal:

"You could have put Vaseline on from head to toe, that wasn't the point, the point was you don't do it. It's illegal. The guy who did it needs to be punished, it's not (St. Pierre's) fault. The question is what happens to a guy that does that. You've got to put the smack down on him. He should lose his license."

Ultimately, did the use of the Vaseline win the fight for St. Pierre? No. But Penn's camp does have a right to complain.

St. Pierre should be getting props for being the better conditioned fighter, designing and executing the perfect gameplan. The way he wore down Penn in the first round by holding his left leg up on three occasions with the threat of a single-leg takedown, was brilliant. It allowed him takedown a tired Penn with ease in each of the next three rounds. More importantly, GSP was able to pass guard and shift between full guard and side control as if he were fighting a first-year jiu-jitsu student. Now Penn, other fighters who dislike St. Pierre and fans may call for an asterisk on his dominant victory.

[Quick281]

Interesting find but I would say it would have been more relevant if BJ Penn had been trying to grapple him and GSP kept magically sliding out. But it wasn't even close, GPS straight whooped.

If they are mad about it, rest up and challenge again and make sure the vaseline isn't applied. I don't see a different outcome assuming both fighters were in the same condition as this past fight.

[OneSickPsycho]

Originally Posted by Quick281

Interesting find but I would say it would have been more relevant if BJ Penn had been trying to grapple him and GSP kept magically sliding out. But it wasn't even close, GPS straight whooped.

If they are mad about it, rest up and challenge again and make sure the vaseline isn't applied. I don't see a different outcome assuming both fighters were in the same condition as this past fight.

I think the point made about the ease in which GSP slid out of the triangles Penn tried to apply... The commentators even noticed how Penn could not hold on and chalked it up to him being sweaty... GSP slipped out of no fewer than 5 triangle attempts... I'd say Penn has a legitimate beef.