$447 bil

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by RACER X

ah but you see you only have to make about 70k a yr to pay 35%, so now you really only make 45k a yr, and w/ other taxes you make less then that. and if your single w/ ni kids and no house.....you're gonna get bent.

35% in federal income tax alone, for $70K? In what country?

Originally Posted by RACER X

if you only make $20k a yr, then don't have a household, stay single till you can afford kids or make do. and if you do decide to have a household when you only make 20k a yr, why should the gov't help you sustain yourself.

There is absolutely an aspect of personal irresponsibility. I myself would never try to start a family if we would only be pulling down $20K a year, but that doesn't mean nobody would. But there are also many many cases of people who started families only to see their income drastically reduced.

Regardless of how they came about, those households exist. And you can't squeeze juice from a raisin.

[fasternyou929]

Originally Posted by RACER X

ah but you see you only have to make about 70k a yr to pay 35%, so now you really only make 45k a yr, and w/ other taxes you make less then that. and if your single w/ ni kids and no house.....you're gonna get bent.


if you only make $20k a yr, then don't have a household, stay single till you can afford kids or make do. and if you do decide to have a household when you only make 20k a yr, why should the gov't help you sustain yourself.


and yes, fix gov't spending.

Are you including all sources of tax? If not, you really need to start paying someone to do your taxes for you. When you said before you're paying $62k in taxes, I didn't realize you were only making double that.

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

In my defense, a lot of the numbers I'm throwing out are rounded / estimated so I don't have to spend an hour doing calculations for one post. I try to round against my argument; for instance, I took the entire US population into account when splitting up the DoD bill instead of just the tax-paying ages.

Fair enough, I try to do all that math only once a year myself. There are a LOT of adults that believe tax brackets are absolute though.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by RACER X

right now, everyday, whether you believe in the war or not. they are there fighting. costing us $

Right. And one of those wars was completely unnecessary. I don't see you railing against THAT misspent tax money. Do you work for a defence contractor?

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I agree.

So shouldn't that money be evaluated / re-considered? Just like social services?

well lets talk about illegals too then...........and their drain on our taxes.......

[RACER X]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Right. And one of those wars was completely unnecessary. I don't see you railing against THAT misspent tax money. Do you work for a defence contractor?

no, Oil and Gas, well currently Liquid Nat Gas proj. being built in Australia.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by RACER X

well lets talk about illegals too then...........and they're drain on our taxes.......

... that neither political party appears ready to tackle.

Originally Posted by RACER X

no, Oil and Gas, well currently Liquid Nat Gas proj. being built in Australia.

Then why aren't you up on arms about BILLIONS in misspent tax money?

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

Regardless of how they came about, those households exist. And you can't squeeze juice from a raisin.

Exactly.

[RACER X]

yeah, so lets just tax "the rich" more thats the easy way........

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by RACER X

yeah, so lets just tax "the rich" more thats the easy way........

Alright. Bottom line it for me. How much good do you really expect to do by "expanding the tax base" and taxing the poor more? How far will that go toward actually paying the country's bills?

Is it the Bachmann plan of "have everybody pay more, even if it's just a dollar?" Because that $300 million* might pay for the Pentagon's cafeteria budget.




*total US population, low income newborns included

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by RACER X

yeah, so lets just tax "the rich" more thats the easy way........

It certainly was years ago, so they can't act like it's never been done before.

It's simple.....Either raise revenue, or cut spending. What kind of major cuts is the GOP proposing, if any?