High Fructose Corn Syrup Causes More Weight Gain Than Sugar

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by shmike

I feel like this thread is going in circles.

Maybe, by rule I only read the first sentence of every post and respond based on that one sentence.

No seriously though, I must have missed the part where we talked about low priced junk food's effect on the lower class. What did we conclude?

[shmike]

We never reached a conclusion.

I said:

Low cost is a HUGE issue.

We have become a Wal-Mart society. Everyone wants everything cheaper but then want to bitch about quality too.

You can't have it all.

In 1901, an "urban" American family dedicated over 46% of their budget to food and beverages.

Today that number is under 12%.

You can eat cheap or you can eat well.

I understand that good food "seems" expensive but it is still far cheaper than it has ever been.

I hate hearing people bitch about how expensive food is when their kids are playing on their PSP's, wearing name brand clothing/shoes and then drive off in their over-priced SUV's.

I know you are probably talking about those that are struggling but how many of them would trade their new TV or their cable bill or their cigarettes for free-range chicken?

Edited to add ciggies for Gregman.

[KSGregman]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Maybe, by rule I only read the first sentence of every post and respond based on that one sentence.

No seriously though, I must have missed the part where we talked about low priced junk food's effect on the lower class. What did we conclude?

*I* concluded that it's a junk line of reasoning....

Seriously, food is a necessity....cigarettes are not...and I see PLENTY of what I assume to be "lower class" people smoking.

Again...it's all about personal choices...personal responsibility....allocate my resources to acquire healthier food?....or allocate my resources to acquire junk food and cigarettes? (as an example)....it's still a CHOICE.

[Kaneman]

My bad, my bad....I missed all that. Good points all.

Still, if government policy dictates what type of foods will be cheapest in America, then what is the problem with policies that make good foods cheaper and junk foods more expensive?

I mean, I'm just saying. If you're contending that government should not have a hand in agriculture then that's one thing. But since they already do, why not have them enforce healthier policies. After all, you pay for all those "poor, lazy, tobacco smoking, cable TV watching" people's healthcare right? Hell, even without "socialist health care", you still pay for them....so why not have good policy?

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by shmike

I hate hearing people bitch about how expensive food is when their kids are playing on their PSP's, wearing name brand clothing/shoes and then drive off in their over-priced SUV's.

I know you are probably talking about those that are struggling but how many of them would trade their new TV or their cable bill or their cigarettes for free-range chicken?

Plus million.

[Kaneman]

Fuck. What I'm trying to say is: The average American is a complete idiot who can not be trusted to make informed decisions. Seriously, have you guys been out in public lately? Scary shit. The policies of our agriculture department have the unintended side effect of making junk food type products insanely cheap. The price paid for that is the sheer landmass required for the corn used in those products, which is one of many reasons healthier foods are more expensive than a bag of Doritos and six pack of Pepsi.

These products are now an ingrained part of our culture, which leads me back to the point about people being complete idiots. When Joe Idiot sees 8 commercials for Coke and Cookies during his favorite Family Guy rerun everyday over and over again, well, that's what he's going to get.

Joe Idiot should have the CHOICE to put whatever type of food he wants in his body for whatever period of time. Absolutely. Pepsico should be allowed to crank out all the Pepsi and Chips they can make profit off of, no problem with that. What I am opposed to are Government policies who's end result are a junk food culture that Joe Idiot doesn't stand a chance of overcoming. Everyone is simply not intelligent enough to make rational informed decisions that may be in the face of what their TV tells them. While its easy to say, "well fuck those fat lazy idiots then", the truth is that they make up a significant percentage, if not he majority of our society and have a great effect on the rest of us.

[Sean]

Speaking of HFCS, you can buy kosher Coke this month--it's sweetened with sugar instead of HFCS. Has a green cap. And yes, it's still bad for you.

[Captain Morgan]

Damn, all this arguing when it's really quite simple (and I've already said it). It's basically laziness on the part of most people. Too lazy to work out. Too lazy to look at a label, too lazy to cook right, too lazy to care. They just figure it's too much work and they don't care about being healthy.

Should we institute a junk food tax so poor people will eat healthy? We all know that won't work as has been proven by the high taxes on cigs. People still smoke (even poor people) because they WANT to. Just like they WANT to eat junk. It tastes good and they love it.

Yes, HFCS causes obesity, but so does sugar and sitting on your ass doing nothing. We have gone from a society of manual labor to a society of cube farm rats. We NEED to exercise because we don't get the exercise we previously got from working.

Most fat people simply don't care and don't even try. They bitch that they're fat, but sit down at the buffet and stuff they're faces. They want someone to do everything for them. This is what we need to cure.

Our society has grown into a bunch of lazy fucks who want someone to do everything for them. They want the government to monitor this, or ban that. Here's an idea...you don't like something, don't fucking use it. If something makes you fat, don't eat or drink it. If something makes you cough, don't be around it. Take some fucking personal responsibility, but don't bitch about it until you've done everything you can to fix the situation. If people start picking foods without HFCS, manufacturers will quit using it. But people are lazy and don't fucking care. Period.

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

How did you measure this 14 and 20% body fat?

Buy an impedance BF meter and in the AM on an empty stomach w/o clothes measure your body fat %.

I have an impedance-style scale. Yes, I know they aren't all that accurate, but I use the same one and measure myself at the same time of day with same standards as you had listed. Maybe my % aren't exactly what it says, but it will show a trend, which is all I was really trying to point out and all I'm really looking for. If I want a truly accurate body fat measurement, I'll spend the money to get dipped in a tank, but it's not all that important to me as I'm not competing in anything.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by shmike

My contention earlier was that our supermarkets being what they are is as much the fault of the consumer as it is the government.

But you would be wrong, because the government subsidizes the growth of corn. There's a reason why they're trying to shove it into every fucking orifice we have, they have shitloads of the crap.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Rider

You want to be thin... P90X motherfuckers. I know people who are skinny from that shit. I'm seriously considering buying it.

Fixed