Nigerian tried to blow up the plane

[askmrjesus]

In related news, the TSA announced today that passengers with laps will not be allowed to board US bound flights.

JC

[Dave]

i smell a hundred billion dollar airline bailout coming

[z06boy]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

In related news, the TSA announced today that passengers with laps will not be allowed to board US bound flights.

JC

Crap...there goes the lap dances...

[Homeslice]

Homeland Security: The worst legacy of the Bush Admin. Whenever you create another goverment agency, you create another bunch of people who need to justify their jobs by creating new rules and procedures.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Homeland Security: The worst legacy of the Bush Admin. Whenever you create another goverment agency, you create another bunch of people who need to justify their jobs by creating new rules and procedures.

completely agree. Satan mut be busting out his ics skates bout now

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Homeland Security: The worst legacy of the Bush Admin. Whenever you create another goverment agency, you create another bunch of people who need to justify their jobs by creating new rules and procedures.

You appear to think that majority of the blame for the failures in this incident falls on Bush. Do you think the same of September 11th?

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

You appear to think that majority of the blame for the failures in this incident falls on Bush. Do you think the same of September 11th?

His post referenced the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, and nothing else. Are you not against the creation of additional bureaucracy and government glut?

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

His post referenced the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, and nothing else. Are you not against the creation of additional bureaucracy and government glut?

What I took from the post was that failures at Homeland Security caused this incident and by calling it "the worst legacy of the Bush Admin." I implied some level of Bush responsibility for this incident. Since it was my implication from the statement rather than directly stated I posted "you appear to think". If my implication was incorrect Homeslice can correct me.

I think that something like the Department of Homeland Security is necessary. I also think that, being a government agency, the bureaucracy and glut that seems to require has made it inefficient and (to a degree) ineffective. It certainly didn't function well in this case. That is too bad.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

What I took from the post was that failures at Homeland Security caused this incident and by calling it "the worst legacy of the Bush Admin." I implied some level of Bush responsibility for this incident. Since it was my implication from the statement rather than directly stated I posted "you appear to think". If my implication was incorrect Homeslice can correct me.

I think that something like the Department of Homeland Security is necessary. I also think that, being a government agency, the bureaucracy and glut that seems to require has made it inefficient and (to a degree) ineffective. It certainly didn't function well in this case. That is too bad.

Then you were ascribing a great deal of content to the statement that was not present.

There are several government agencies that handle the sort of thing that Homeland Security does, creating ADDITIONAL replication of tasks. Simply creating an oversight board, or even just going so far as creating efficient sharing of records would be more useful, as well as more fiscally responsible.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by goof2

You appear to think that majority of the blame for the failures in this incident falls on Bush. Do you think the same of September 11th?

I blame Bush for the HSA/TSA, not for this terrorist incident. The incident would have occurred with or without the HSA/TSA.

The existing intelligence & law enforcement community was already responsible for homeland security. The fact that certain information was allegedly not being shared between these agencies doesn't prove that a brand new agency needed to be created. Sounds more like a failure to hold certain individuals accountable. Instead the Bush Admin did something that they knew would be deemed more impressive: Create a new agency.

It's just like the business world, every time you create a new department or business unit, you've created a bunch of people who feel the need to justify their positions by creating new programs & policies.