Should MotoGP bikes be more restricted like NASCAR? - Page 2

smileyman · 06-08-2011, 05:51 PM

Fortunately with racing motorcycles the style and skill of the rider have a much greater effect in the overall performance than just using the same engines, chassis ect.

Moto2 is a prime example of how you can use the same engine and ecu and get different results thanks partially to open chassis rules but the different rider styles and abilities seem to come out at each circuit.

Not saying that a NASCAR driver doesnt have tracks that his style favors, I am just saying that if that driver has a shit set up that weekend it wont matter how well he wheels a car, someone with the right set up will beat him.

I raced dirt track ovals in cars for about 7-8 years and there is only so much you can do with the car if you miss the set up, usually only about two lines thru a corner thanks to the heavy wide nature of the cars. You can hustle the thing a little but physics takes over eventually.

Bikes have a broader spectrum of lines, styles, and even when you get on a guys bike that owns the lap record, if you dont have his style his set up isnt going to agree but you can still hustle it once you find out how to agree with it (ala Stoner and the Ducati).

OneSickPsycho · 06-08-2011, 06:03 PM

Fuck that shit... completely unrestricted... Engine size should be the only standard...

Dave · 06-08-2011, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

Fuck that shit... completely unrestricted... Engine size should be the only standard...

Exactly. I'm tired of the extra "anti honda" clauses in the engine rules

Tmall · 06-08-2011, 06:28 PM

Are there, or have there ever been completely unrestricted race classes?

TYEster · 06-08-2011, 07:24 PM

IMO there should be NO restrictions. Save the rules for the superbike level.

I'd rather my sport keep the restrictions to the customer based level vs the unobtainum. We already can't buy GP bikes(realistically), so I think it would provide more sport/entertainment to see such an awesome level of technology and advancement.

Particle Man · 06-08-2011, 10:01 PM

Poll fail. There's no "Fuck No" option.

smileyman · 06-09-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Are there, or have there ever been completely unrestricted race classes?

Not completely but GP has always been kinda wide open...Then there was the 80's AMA when they were running GP 2 strokes against nitrous powered GSXRs and wild creations with almost no rules...

fujimoh · 06-10-2011, 09:11 AM

DMG and AMA should be a lesson to us all. We need an unrestricted class. I would like to see a return to 2 strokes! What a series it would be with bikes running 750 to 1k two strokes! I'd watch that

Trip · 06-10-2011, 09:20 AM

Moto GP is for prototypes, if you want to watch racing watch superbike.

fujimoh · 06-11-2011, 08:30 PM

I would like to watch Simoncelli ride thru the field on a 750 two stroke

View Poll Results: Should MotoGP restrict their bikes the same was NASCAR does their cars?
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06-08-2011, 05:51 PM	#11
smileyman White Trash Hero Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NW Arkansas Moto: Buell 1125R Porco Rosso Edition Posts: 4,895	Fortunately with racing motorcycles the style and skill of the rider have a much greater effect in the overall performance than just using the same engines, chassis ect. Moto2 is a prime example of how you can use the same engine and ecu and get different results thanks partially to open chassis rules but the different rider styles and abilities seem to come out at each circuit. Not saying that a NASCAR driver doesnt have tracks that his style favors, I am just saying that if that driver has a shit set up that weekend it wont matter how well he wheels a car, someone with the right set up will beat him. I raced dirt track ovals in cars for about 7-8 years and there is only so much you can do with the car if you miss the set up, usually only about two lines thru a corner thanks to the heavy wide nature of the cars. You can hustle the thing a little but physics takes over eventually. Bikes have a broader spectrum of lines, styles, and even when you get on a guys bike that owns the lap record, if you dont have his style his set up isnt going to agree but you can still hustle it once you find out how to agree with it (ala Stoner and the Ducati). __________________ Arkriders.com To be the best you must first be willing to risk the worst!

06-08-2011, 10:01 PM	#16
Particle Man Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Central NY Moto: 2003 SV650S Posts: 14,959	Poll fail. There's no "Fuck No" option. __________________ I'm not "fat." I'm "Enlarged to show texture." Handle every stressful situation like a DOG: If you can't eat it or hump it, pi$$ on it & walk away.

06-08-2011, 06:03 PM	#12
OneSickPsycho Ride Like an Asshole Join Date: Feb 2008 Moto: nothing... Posts: 11,254	Fuck that shit... completely unrestricted... Engine size should be the only standard...

06-08-2011, 06:28 PM	#14
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Are there, or have there ever been completely unrestricted race classes?

06-08-2011, 07:24 PM	#15
TYEster With MORE TYEstosterone Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: TX Moto: '12 KX450F / 08 YZ250F #512 / 07 KX65 #1 Posts: 1,429	IMO there should be NO restrictions. Save the rules for the superbike level. I'd rather my sport keep the restrictions to the customer based level vs the unobtainum. We already can't buy GP bikes(realistically), so I think it would provide more sport/entertainment to see such an awesome level of technology and advancement.

06-10-2011, 09:11 AM	#18
fujimoh Kneedragger Join Date: May 2011 Location: Florida Moto: CBR 1000RR Posts: 230	DMG and AMA should be a lesson to us all. We need an unrestricted class. I would like to see a return to 2 strokes! What a series it would be with bikes running 750 to 1k two strokes! I'd watch that

06-10-2011, 09:20 AM	#19
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	Moto GP is for prototypes, if you want to watch racing watch superbike.

06-11-2011, 08:30 PM	#20
fujimoh Kneedragger Join Date: May 2011 Location: Florida Moto: CBR 1000RR Posts: 230	I would like to watch Simoncelli ride thru the field on a 750 two stroke