Congresswoman shot in Arizona

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

People who make their bones by standing on other people's graves sicken me. We had a law, banning people under 21 from having ANY blood alcohol content in their blood while driving rammed through, because a father with money blamed other people for his son being a drunken lout, who took two of his friends with him when he drove into a river.

That is the most effective, and really the only, tactic the anti-gun lobby has. They are dependent on emotional arguments swaying people. There are plenty of people who will support the anti-gun position, but when the argument is a logical one they can't get a majority. Hell, they are still trying to use the Virginia Tech massacre as a battering ram to close the so called "gun show loophole", even though that murdering bastard didn't buy any guns at a gun show.

Hopefully once cooler heads prevail people will realize that this murderer (and the VT murderer) are in the middle of two ideas that counter each other. Obviously guns shouldn't be sold to mentally unstable people, but medical privacy laws also mean that a legitimate gun retailer following all the rules isn't going to know about a diagnosis of mental instability even if such a diagnosis has been made.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

That is the most effective, and really the only, tactic the anti-gun lobby has. They are dependent on emotional arguments swaying people. There are plenty of people who will support the anti-gun position, but when the argument is a logical one they can't get a majority. Hell, they are still trying to use the Virginia Tech massacre as a battering ram to close the so called "gun show loophole", even though that murdering bastard didn't buy any guns at a gun show.

Hopefully once cooler heads prevail people will realize that this murderer (and the VT murderer) are in the middle of two ideas that counter each other. Obviously guns shouldn't be sold to mentally unstable people, but medical privacy laws also mean that a legitimate gun retailer following all the rules isn't going to know about a diagnosis of mental instability even if such a diagnosis has been made.

The former mayor of Toronto, who just recently retired, was trying to push through a city-wide ban on firearms because of "all the gun related deaths in the city." Of course this left out some very important issues:

- gun control is not within the city's purview; it's Federal
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated with illegal firearms
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated by street gang members
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated ON street gang members
- the 'huge number' of murders, in Toronto, is a mere fraction of what can be found in a comparable US city

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The former mayor of Toronto, who just recently retired, was trying to push through a city-wide ban on firearms because of "all the gun related deaths in the city." Of course this left out some very important issues:

- gun control is not within the city's purview; it's Federal
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated with illegal firearms
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated by street gang members
- the vast majority of gun crimes were perpetrated ON street gang members
- the 'huge number' of murders, in Toronto, is a mere fraction of what can be found in a comparable US city

Sounds about right. I'm just curious to see what, if any, legislation Congress attempts to pass over this massacre.

[101lifts2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

So politicians who lean to the right are all tools of the ruling elite?

Both sides....it's sad unfortunately. Except Libertarians.

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Both sides....it's sad unfortunately. Except Libertarians.

There's not much point in bribing someone who isn't going to get elected anyway.

JC

[Avatard]

True. Sad, but true.

[Trip]

Apparently they want mercedes benz logos instead of gun sights on Palin's map.

[Avatard]

Wow.

[Trip]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Wow.

I love it when people don't proofread, there is some great protest signs out there on both sides.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Trip

Apparently they want mercedes benz logos instead of gun sights on Palin's map.

Obviously you'll find more elites by looking for Mercedes, than you would looking for guns. They're just giving Palin some useful advice.