refused service because of bad tipping

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Ya gotta speak English to me, What's Mavericks and is that your average price? You can get $100 steak dinners all night at Del Frisco's here.

All I'm saying is that if you want the restaurants to pay the servers as much as they make from tips its going to cost you a lot more to eat out. Same thing I said last time we debated this.

What im saying is, I dont mind paying a lot for food. I do however, mind directly paying for your workers wages.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Tmall

But, all Apoc and I were saying is if you do a shitty job, you just might get a shitty tip because tipping is not mandatory. If it were, as you just said, the quality of service would go down.

So the argument all along has been that if you don't deserve a tip, you shouldn't get it. And it's been very adamantly against because it's a hard job and even if you're not good at it, it should be my responsibility to pay your wages if I agree with it or not.

I'm not sure where the disconnect lies.

I have agreed with you almost 100% on the first half of your posts.

The second half you either go overboard trying to make your point, on a tangent or just ramble incoherently.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

What im saying is, I dont mind paying a lot for food. I do however, mind directly paying for your workers wages.

Next time you go to Maverick's, have them charge an extra 20% and tell them not to expect a tip.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by shmike

Next time you go to Maverick's, have them charge an extra 20% and tell them not to expect a tip.

20% would be stiffing the waitresses, because the girls in that place are really fucking hot.

You miss the parts where I said im an extremely good tipper, and focused on the part where I still believe its wrong to expect your customers to pay your workers.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Apoc

20% would be stiffing the waitresses, because the girls in that place are really fucking hot.

You miss the parts where I said im an extremely good tipper, and focused on the part where I still believe its wrong to expect your customers to pay your workers.

I'm not a historian, but I'm quite sure restaurant owners weren't the ones who created tipping..........Customers did. And, once that custom grew, restaurant owners knew they could lower their wages down to almost nothing, since customers were going to tip anyway.

You're acting like it was forced, when in reality it was everyday people who decided to tip.

[Papa_Complex]

... and service people who decided to make it mandatory.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

20% would be stiffing the waitresses, because the girls in that place are really fucking hot.

You miss the parts where I said im an extremely good tipper, and focused on the part where I still believe its wrong to expect your customers to pay your workers.

I didn't miss anything.

The point is that servers wages are directly related to the price of your meal.

If you want them to be paid by the company, expect to pay the company more.

And yes, in the end, the servers suffer.

I'll give you two guesses; What happens to the quality of waitstaff once that happens...

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I'm not a historian, but I'm quite sure restaurant owners weren't the ones who created tipping..........Customers did. And, once that custom grew, restaurant owners knew they could lower their wages down to almost nothing, since customers were going to tip anyway.

You're acting like it was forced, when in reality it was everyday people who decided to tip.

Thats the thing, people did it VOLUNTARILY, not because they felt they were forced to because some asshole owner is too cheap to pay his workers a normal wage.

Its like tip jars at a fast food counter. I think its fucking dispicable. You put my fucking food in a bag and handed to me. Do they really think they deserve extra money for that? Just like bartenders who dont give you your change... I always tip them, but they seem to think they deserve it for twisting the cap off my beer. A good woman should do that without me handing them a 5.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Thats the thing, people did it VOLUNTARILY, not because they felt they were forced to because some asshole owner is too cheap to pay his workers a normal wage.

And after enough people started tipping, everyone did.......Maybe cuz of peer pressure, or whatever, I don't know..........The point is, sooner or later the restaurant owners realized that they didn't need to pay their servers as much.

Originally Posted by Apoc

Its like tip jars at a fast food counter. I think its fucking dispicable. You put my fucking food in a bag and handed to me. Do they really think they deserve extra money for that?

In most cases I'd agree with you, because those people are getting at least minimum wage, unlike a waiter who only gets like $2.50.

You won't see a major fast food chain with a jar on the counter ----- Only independants. Is it right? Depends if you think the employee did something special that deserves it. But nobody is going to say anything if you don't put something in the jar.

[shmike]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Thats the thing, people did it VOLUNTARILY, not because they felt they were forced to because some asshole owner is too cheap to pay his workers a normal wage.

Do you feel the same way about strip clubs?