Congresswoman shot in Arizona

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No he doesn't. He has a neck...lol

[derf]

The pot made him do it!

http://www.frumforum.com/did-pot-tri...fords-shooting

After horrific shootings, we hear calls for stricter regulation of guns. The Tucson shooting should remind us why we regulate marijuana.

Jared Lee Loughner, the man held as the Tucson shooter, has been described by those who know as a “pot smoking loner.”

He had two encounters with the law, one for possession of drug paraphanalia.

We are also learning that Loughner exhibited signs of severe mental illness, very likely schizophrenia.

The connection between marijuana and schizophrenia is both controversial and complicated. The raw association is strong:

Schizophrenics are twice as likely to smoke marijuana as non-schizophrenics.
People who smoke marijuana are twice as likely to develop schizophrenia as those who do not smoke.
But is correlation causation?

Increasingly experts seem to be saying: “Yes.”

Time had a good summary of the expert view in an article published in July 2010.

Marie-Odile Krebs, professor of psychiatry at the National Institute of Health and Medical Research (INSERM) laboratory in France, and her colleagues published a study in June that identified two broad groups of people with schizophrenia who used cannabis: those whose disease was profoundly affected by their drug use and those who were not.

Within Krebs’s study population of 190 patients (121 of whom had used cannabis), researchers found a subgroup of 44 whose disease was powerfully affected by the drug. These patients either developed schizophrenia within a month of beginning to smoke pot or saw their existing psychosis severely exacerbated with each successive exposure to the drug. Schizophrenia appeared in these patients nearly three years earlier than in other marijuana-users with the disease.

After the Tucson shooting, there may be renewed pressure to control the weapons that committed the crime. But what about the drugs that may have aggravated the killer’s mental disease? The trend these days seems toward a more casual attitude and easier access to those drugs. Among the things we should be discussing in the aftermath of this horror is the accumulating evidence of those drugs’ potential contribution to making some dangerous people even more dangerous than they might otherwise have been.

[Kaneman]

I think I called something like this happening (in relation to Cannabis) not too long ago on this board...

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

I think I called something like this happening (in relation to Cannabis) not too long ago on this board...

There are people up here, who are using it to push an anti-firearm agenda. Compared to Arizona, we practically don't have guns to start with. We're not even int he same country.

Opportunists will use any situation, in order to push their personal agenda.

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There's a link between pot and schizophrenia, but it's unclear.

Regardless, the data DOES NOT support the assumption that schizophrenia is CAUSED by cannabis (as much as some would love to ascribe it to that).

The proof is in the data:

"...here's the conundrum: while marijuana went from being a secret shared by a small community of hepcats and beatniks in the 1940s and '50s to a rite of passage for some 70% of youth by the turn of the century, rates of schizophrenia in the U.S. have remained flat, or possibly declined."

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...005559,00.html

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

There are people up here, who are using it to push an anti-firearm agenda. Compared to Arizona, we practically don't have guns to start with. We're not even int he same country.

Opportunists will use any situation, in order to push their personal agenda.

A crime that should be punishable by death

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

There are people up here, who are using it to push an anti-firearm agenda. Compared to Arizona, we practically don't have guns to start with. We're not even int he same country.

Opportunists will use any situation, in order to push their personal agenda.

Its happening here too. The people from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have started testing the waters with the argument that the Assault Weapons Ban's provisions against high capacity magazines allowed this. Pretty soon they will be on every network with the same argument. Again resorting to pure speculation, if the House was still Democrat controlled I believe there would be a very real chance of a new AWB getting rammed through.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by goof2

Its happening here too. The people from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence have started testing the waters with the argument that the Assault Weapons Ban's provisions against high capacity magazines allowed this. Pretty soon they will be on every network with the same argument. Again resorting to pure speculation, if the House was still Democrat controlled I believe there would be a very real chance of a new AWB getting rammed through.

People who make their bones by standing on other people's graves sicken me. We had a law, banning people under 21 from having ANY blood alcohol content in their blood while driving rammed through, because a father with money blamed other people for his son being a drunken lout, who took two of his friends with him when he drove into a river.

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No legislation will ever stop:

1) Terrorism
2) Risky behavior
3) Stupidity
4) Crimes of Morality

Lawmakers need to concentrate on what they CAN do to help, and stop pandering to alarm.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Avatard

No legislation will ever stop:

1) Terrorism
2) Risky behavior
3) Stupidity
4) Crimes of Morality

Lawmakers need to concentrate on what they CAN do to help, and stop pandering to alarm.

While it would be nice, this will never happen. Humans are herd animals.

We react to perceived danger in a manner that is completely out of scale to the actual statistical possibility of harm. We worry that our children will be kidnapped or molested by some random stranger. We think that there's a massively impaired driver around every bend. There are terrorists in every small town, who are just waiting for the word to poison our water.

Because of this, governance by sound bite results in votes.