Bin laden dead

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by shmike

You can say that again!

Must've been a glitch in my alien programming.

[pauldun170]

“With so much misinformation being fed into such an essential public debate as this one, I asked the Director of Central Intelligence, Leon Panetta, for the facts. And I received the following information:

“The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. We did not first learn from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed the real name of bin Laden’s courier, or his alias, Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the man who ultimately enabled us to find bin Laden. The first mention of the name Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, as well as a description of him as an important member of Al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country. The United States did not conduct this detainee’s interrogation, nor did we render him to that country for the purpose of interrogation. We did not learn Abu Ahmed’s real name or alias as a result of waterboarding or any ‘enhanced interrogation technique’ used on a detainee in U.S. custody. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts, or an accurate description of his role in Al-Qaeda.

“In fact, not only did the use of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden’s courier, Abu Ahmed; it actually produced false and misleading information. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married, and ceased his role as an Al-Qaeda facilitator — which was not true, as we now know. All we learned about Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti through the use of waterboarding and other ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ against Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the confirmation of the already known fact that the courier existed and used an alias.

“I have sought further information from the staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and they confirm for me that, in fact, the best intelligence gained from a CIA detainee — information describing Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti’s real role in Al-Qaeda and his true relationship to Osama bin Laden — was obtained through standard, non-coercive means, not through any ‘enhanced interrogation technique.’

“In short, it was not torture or cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees that got us the major leads that ultimately enabled our intelligence community to find Osama bin Laden. I hope former Attorney General Mukasey will correct his misstatement. It’s important that he do so because we are again engaged in this important debate, with much at stake for America’s security and reputation. Each side should make its own case, but do so without making up its own facts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...AnzG_blog.html

[Homeslice]

Pretty much ownage right there. Not surprising for the Attorney General to make up facts to protect his crap lawyers who came up with the enhanced interrogation standards. The whole DOJ was a complete joke during the Bush Admin (and probably still is)

[askmrjesus]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Pretty much ownage right there. Not surprising for the Attorney General to make up facts to protect his crap lawyers who came up with the enhanced interrogation standards. The whole DOJ was a complete joke during the Bush Admin (and probably still is)

If water-boarding were truly effective, you probably wouldn't have to do it 183 times.

We should go back to lead-filled rubber hoses. You get the same crap results in less time, and there's a lot less mopping involved.

JC

[Adeptus_Minor]

Originally Posted by askmrjesus

We should go back to lead-filled rubber hoses. You get the same crap results in less time, and there's a lot less mopping involved.

JC

Mopping creates jobs!

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Pretty much ownage right there. Not surprising for the Attorney General to make up facts to protect his crap lawyers who came up with the enhanced interrogation standards. The whole DOJ was a complete joke during the Bush Admin (and probably still is)

all that said is OUR techniques were ineffective

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Dave

all that said is OUR techniques were ineffective

True, he didn't say what techniques were used in "another country".

Take it for what it is worth but I have also read that waterboarding and the rest weren't used, and were never intended to be used, to gain new information. The enhanced techniques were used while asking the detainee questions we already knew the answers to as a way to see when the detainee reached the proper "mindset" to answer questions truthfully.

As I said, take it for what it is worth, but that does make sense to me. As most who object to the enhanced interrogation techniques have pointed out it is well recognized that people would lie to make that treatment stop. This would be a way to demonstrate to the detainees that only the truth would make it stop. It may also explain why KSM was waterboarded as many times as he was. It took that much for him to start telling the truth.

I'm not saying this is what happened, only that it sounds somewhat plausible.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by goof2

True, he didn't say what techniques were used in "another country".

Take it for what it is worth but I have also read that waterboarding and the rest weren't used, and were never intended to be used, to gain new information. The enhanced techniques were used while asking the detainee questions we already knew the answers to as a way to see when the detainee reached the proper "mindset" to answer questions truthfully.

As I said, take it for what it is worth, but that does make sense to me. As most who object to the enhanced interrogation techniques have pointed out it is well recognized that people would lie to make that treatment stop. This would be a way to demonstrate to the detainees that only the truth would make it stop. It may also explain why KSM was waterboarded as many times as he was. It took that much for him to start telling the truth.

I'm not saying this is what happened, only that it sounds somewhat plausible.

Its also entirely likely that such cross refrencing is worthless since the detainees knew two things about the united states:

We are a nation of blubbering vaginas
We're gonna bitch out on any torture.

[Captain Morgan]

Originally Posted by Dave

all that said is OUR techniques were ineffective

Anybody ever watch "Unthinkable"?

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by Dave

all that said is OUR techniques were ineffective

Actually what it says, is that the AG lied about where information came from, in order to defend his own actions.