Vicious Pit Bulls and Kitties don't mix... - Page 15

Kaneman · 09-15-2009, 05:32 PM

Fuck no, I've spent the last hour digging up info to debunk all the Goddamn false statistics you posted up so just bear with me as I prepare my Pièce de résistance.

One thing everyone who reads this will be sure of by the end. Tigger and I need to get jobs.

Amber Lamps · 09-15-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokieDNA01

Here is a NEUTRAL organization that tests dog breed temperements. Here is how they test...
http://www.atts.org/testdesc.html

And here are the results. There are multiple pages. The "pitbulls" are listed under American Pit Bull Terrier.
http://www.atts.org/stats1.html

Didn't strike you as "odd" the disproportionate number of Pits and Rots that were tested?

it just seems weird. Oh and did you actually read how the test is done and what it takes into account?

http://www.atts.org/testdesc.html

Amber Lamps · 09-15-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Fuck no, I've spent the last hour digging up info to debunk all the Goddamn false statistics you posted up so just bear with me as I prepare my Pièce de résistance.

One thing everyone who reads this will be sure of by the end. Tigger and I need to get jobs.

Well, while you do that I'm going riding around campus and check mout the new eye candy!

HokieDNA01 · 09-15-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Oh and did you actually read how the test is done and what it takes into account?

http://www.atts.org/testdesc.html

Yes...I read it....

Amber Lamps · 09-15-2009, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokieDNA01

Yes...I read it....

Did you see that they take into account the dog's training? So if a dog is trained as an attack dog/security dog then aggressive behavior is permissible. Did you notice that a large part of the test has nothing to do with aggressive behavior but nervous behavior, curiousity, fear, etc? This test in no way proves that Pit Bulls aren't more vicious. The possibility exists that every Pit that failed, did so by attacking a tester and every Collie that failed, did so because it wouldn't cross a 15' piece of plastic.

Oh and who says they are "neutral", they claim "non-profit" status, not neutrality.

Hey, whatever, I give, I give Collies are way more vicious than Pit Bulls, you guys are absolutely right!

shmike · 09-15-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER

Oh and who says they are "neutral", they claim "non-profit" status, not neutrality.

Hey, whatever, I give, I give Collies are way more vicious than Pit Bulls, you guys are absolutely right!

Lassie was a farce!

shmike · 09-15-2009, 06:17 PM

Ten years later...

Homeslice · 09-15-2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TIGGER

when I really don't care....

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Kaneman · 09-15-2009, 06:42 PM

Tigger and other haters of awesome dogs,
I have no illusions that you will read the links below or do the research that proves your own POV regarding American Pit Bull Terriers to be false and the result of hype and hysteria. However, with my own Pit Bull resting his cute lil' head in my lap throughout much of the day I felt obligated to come to his defense. Plus you dared me to prove my side, so here is the proof.
------

Karen Delise is director of research for the National Canine Research Council. She has spent over 20 years closely examining and evaluating dog bites with a focus on fatal dog attacks. She has extensive documentation and research to back up her findings. Despite your numbers claiming over half of fatal attacks were from Pit Bulls Karen found that: "Pit bull and pit mixes account for 21 percent of all human fatalities" This is based on an evalulation of 431 fatal dog attacks between 1965 and 2001.
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/ncrc-research/
http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

----------------------

The American Veterinary Medical Association formed a task force on "Canine Aggression and Human-Canine Interactions" to further investigate dog bites. They state:

“An often-asked question is what breed or breeds of dogs are ‘most dangerous’? This inquiry can be prompted by a serious attack by a specific dog, or it may be the result of media-driven portrayals of a specific breed as ‘dangerous.’ . . . singling out 1 or 2 breeds for control . . . ignores the true scope of the problem and will not result in a responsible approach to protecting a community’s citizens.”

Their report also shows why I kept denouncing the stats posted up regarding Pit Bull attributed fatalities:
"Dog bite statistics are not really statistics and they do not give an accurate picture of dogs that bite.... There are several reasons why it is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds..."
http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf
--------------------------

Here is an example of media hype as it relates to Pit bulls, this is a common occurence proven by people who research these articles regularly by fact checking:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/16648489/detail.html -
Media reports that two men save lil' girl from vicious Pit Bull attack.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911...ves/142027.asp -
The responding police officers confirm that a Pit Bull was playing with a girls shoelace and she got scratched. They also note that the dog was not aggressive.

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If Pit Bulls are so incredibly dangerous why don't cities who have enacted Pit Bull bans have decreasing bite numbers?
Council Bluffs, IA:
2003 (pre-ban) - total dog bites: 85

2004 (pre-ban) - total dog bites: 131

Ban passed to deal with unusualy high number of dog bites.

2005 (ban in place) -- total dog bites: 115

2006 (ban) -- 132

2007 (ban) -- 98

Aurora, CO:
2003-- 185

2004 -- 178

2005 -- 110

BSL in Aurora is passed here.

2006 - 129
2007 - 157

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Perhaps not really relevant, but amusing to me nonetheless.
http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/arti...ec001471d3.txt
(Lawmaker that pushed for Pit Bull ban based on typical hysteria has a Lab that bites someone and ends up on death row.)

-------------------------------

Despite the CDC's own report they claim:
"There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill."
---------------------------------

Here is an entire website that shows just how full of shit dogsbite.org is. There's a LOT of info there so feel free to do your own research as my post is long enough as is. The owner of the site was "attacked" by a dog she identified as a Pit Bull and started her own crusade.
http://rdows.wordpress.com/2008/01/1...g-dogsbiteorg/

There is so much legitimate research that debunks the myriad of myths and statistics put forth that have demonized the once beloved APBT floating around that it seems redundant to attempt to post even a fraction of it. I will close by saying my love for the breed comes from my own personal experience in the many, many years I have spent around dogs. My opposition to the anti-Pit Bull rhetoric is also enhanced by my belief that far too many people are ignorant, lazy, gullible, emotionally controlled and fearful. They believe that which is presented on the TV without question or research. These are the same types of people that were convinced Marijuana turned nice young college boys into sociopathic rapists and murderers, etc et al.

Smittie61984 · 09-15-2009, 07:25 PM

George Bush hates Pitbulls - Kanye West

09-15-2009, 05:32 PM	#141
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Fuck no, I've spent the last hour digging up info to debunk all the Goddamn false statistics you posted up so just bear with me as I prepare my Pièce de résistance. One thing everyone who reads this will be sure of by the end. Tigger and I need to get jobs. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird

09-15-2009, 06:17 PM	#147
shmike Follower Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 5,549	Ten years later... __________________ Racing For Smiles

09-15-2009, 06:42 PM	#149
Kaneman AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Odessa, TX Moto: 2000 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird Posts: 4,931	Tigger and other haters of awesome dogs, I have no illusions that you will read the links below or do the research that proves your own POV regarding American Pit Bull Terriers to be false and the result of hype and hysteria. However, with my own Pit Bull resting his cute lil' head in my lap throughout much of the day I felt obligated to come to his defense. Plus you dared me to prove my side, so here is the proof. ------ Karen Delise is director of research for the National Canine Research Council. She has spent over 20 years closely examining and evaluating dog bites with a focus on fatal dog attacks. She has extensive documentation and research to back up her findings. Despite your numbers claiming over half of fatal attacks were from Pit Bulls Karen found that: "Pit bull and pit mixes account for 21 percent of all human fatalities" This is based on an evalulation of 431 fatal dog attacks between 1965 and 2001. http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/ncrc-research/ http://www.fataldogattacks.com/ ---------------------- The American Veterinary Medical Association formed a task force on "Canine Aggression and Human-Canine Interactions" to further investigate dog bites. They state: “An often-asked question is what breed or breeds of dogs are ‘most dangerous’? This inquiry can be prompted by a serious attack by a specific dog, or it may be the result of media-driven portrayals of a specific breed as ‘dangerous.’ . . . singling out 1 or 2 breeds for control . . . ignores the true scope of the problem and will not result in a responsible approach to protecting a community’s citizens.” Their report also shows why I kept denouncing the stats posted up regarding Pit Bull attributed fatalities: "Dog bite statistics are not really statistics and they do not give an accurate picture of dogs that bite.... There are several reasons why it is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds..." http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf -------------------------- Here is an example of media hype as it relates to Pit bulls, this is a common occurence proven by people who research these articles regularly by fact checking: http://www.kirotv.com/news/16648489/detail.html - Media reports that two men save lil' girl from vicious Pit Bull attack. http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911...ves/142027.asp - The responding police officers confirm that a Pit Bull was playing with a girls shoelace and she got scratched. They also note that the dog was not aggressive. ----------------------------- If Pit Bulls are so incredibly dangerous why don't cities who have enacted Pit Bull bans have decreasing bite numbers? Council Bluffs, IA: 2003 (pre-ban) - total dog bites: 85 2004 (pre-ban) - total dog bites: 131 Ban passed to deal with unusualy high number of dog bites. 2005 (ban in place) -- total dog bites: 115 2006 (ban) -- 132 2007 (ban) -- 98 Aurora, CO: 2003-- 185 2004 -- 178 2005 -- 110 BSL in Aurora is passed here. 2006 - 129 2007 - 157 ------------------------------------------- Perhaps not really relevant, but amusing to me nonetheless. http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/arti...ec001471d3.txt (Lawmaker that pushed for Pit Bull ban based on typical hysteria has a Lab that bites someone and ends up on death row.) ------------------------------- Despite the CDC's own report they claim: "There is currently no accurate way to identify the number of dogs of a particular breed, and consequently no measure to determine which breeds are more likely to bite or kill." --------------------------------- Here is an entire website that shows just how full of shit dogsbite.org is. There's a LOT of info there so feel free to do your own research as my post is long enough as is. The owner of the site was "attacked" by a dog she identified as a Pit Bull and started her own crusade. http://rdows.wordpress.com/2008/01/1...g-dogsbiteorg/ There is so much legitimate research that debunks the myriad of myths and statistics put forth that have demonized the once beloved APBT floating around that it seems redundant to attempt to post even a fraction of it. I will close by saying my love for the breed comes from my own personal experience in the many, many years I have spent around dogs. My opposition to the anti-Pit Bull rhetoric is also enhanced by my belief that far too many people are ignorant, lazy, gullible, emotionally controlled and fearful. They believe that which is presented on the TV without question or research. These are the same types of people that were convinced Marijuana turned nice young college boys into sociopathic rapists and murderers, etc et al. __________________ 1982 Honda XR80 - blown motor, 1993 Kawasaki ZX6D - sold, 2001 Suzuki Bandit 1200S - sold, 1984 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Kawasaki ZRX1200R - blown motor, 2007 Suzuki DL1000 V-Strom - totalled, 2003 Yamaha FZ1 - sold, 1994 Honda Magna - sold, 2001 Honda CBR600F4i - sold, 1998 Suzuki DR350 - stolen, 1989 Honda Super Magna - sold, 2007 Yamaha Stratoliner, 2000 Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Last edited by Kaneman; 09-15-2009 at 06:53 PM..

09-15-2009, 07:25 PM	#150
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