Resistance was futile.... - Page 15

Trip · 06-16-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by VatorMan

Drifting-The art of going around a corner as inefficiently as possible. Any time you have style points in a race makes it gay.

Ha ha owned

Dave · 06-16-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VatorMan

Drifting-The art of going around a corner as inefficiently as possible. Any time you have style points in a race makes it gay.

Let's see you get around a corner faster than Tsuchiya with a grip style then.

Trip · 06-16-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Let's see you get around a corner faster than Tsuchiya with a grip style then.

Hold on while we get Sebastian Vettel...

Back to sex analogies. Drifting is like trying to get your wife pregnant by cuddling, she thinks your awesome for it, but it will never work and you are a homo to your buddies.

smileyman · 06-16-2011, 10:40 AM

Umm, sex is good HmmKay.

As for paddles yep. Faster, yep. Like the Nissan GTR just bloody efficient. but...

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

I learned roadracing on SV650's and Honda Hawk big bores and using the clutch entering a corner on one of those was an art...Something that slipper clutch I4 junkies could never understand. Up shifting was always done clutchless so moot point there as with most racing car stick shifts (non proddy models here)...

pauldun170 · 06-16-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

Umm, sex is good HmmKay.

As for paddles yep. Faster, yep. Like the Nissan GTR just bloody efficient. but...

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

I learned roadracing on SV650's and Honda Hawk big bores and using the clutch entering a corner on one of those was an art...Something that slipper clutch I4 junkies could never understand. Up shifting was always done clutchless so moot point there as with most racing car stick shifts (non proddy models here)...

This...

Sure auto's are easier at the drag strip
flappy paddles are quick around the track

However, I don't drive on a track or drag strip. I drive on public roads.
Driving an automatic is a good way to drift off into la la land.
With the stick...no matter what car it is, I'm actually engaged in the process.
If I wanted to be a passenger I'd have someone else drive.

(and screw the 'drive in traffic' argument)

Automatic drivers...whatever suits you.
However the typical arguments:
"My gimp leg cant handle clutch pedal"
"You can shave .0003 seconds on your lap times"
"the new automatics are EPA rated 1mpg higher than the stick"
"EVERYONE ELSE is getting one"

They mean nothing to me

Trip · 06-16-2011, 10:56 AM

Again, if you want to do the whole driving is pure argument, get to walking. That's pure. Driving is technology. It progresses and moves on. Manuals will eventually disappear from the American standard car market, hell it's getting that way now. Sure it may be in used cars and some race vehicles. Look at NASCAR, they still use carbs and that's pretty much gone from new cars in favor of EFI.

This isn't a battle of which one is better. And fun is a completely unmeasurable quantity, because someone who likes auto or paddles will think they are a shit ton more fun than manual as opposed to you guys who think opposite. The passion of what someone wants in a sports car is completely subjective, your passion for manual can and is equaled by people with a passion for an automatic version.

KSGregman · 06-16-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by smileyman

Isnt the passion of a sports car as important as the times for most people. IE people that arent trying to qualify at Mosport or Lemans. Isnt the joy of heel toeing into a tight corner, slipping the clutch for that just right combination of engine braking, tire slip, and revs part of the allure of a stick?

Agreed....

A LOT to be said for the pure "fun" factor.

Trip · 06-16-2011, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KSGregman

Agreed....

A LOT to be said for the pure "fun" factor.

Again, how is your fun any greater than someone who thinks manual is work and has just as much fun in a auto? The fun factor is the EXACT SAME. Your fun is no greater than someone who has fun in an auto.

Trip · 06-16-2011, 11:07 AM

Let's take this to motorcycles. Let's say I believe sportbikes and dual sporting a shit ton more fun than cruisers. You learn how to ride a bike better, you are faster, more capable, and can just do more than a cruiser can. Cruisers ARE NOT AS MUCH FUN, DAMNIT... The "fun factor" is just not in them.

See how stupid of an argument that is, completely retarded, because a cruiser rider can and will have just as much fun on a day out on his bike as I will on mine.

smileyman · 06-16-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Trip

Let's take this to motorcycles. Let's say I believe sportbikes and dual sporting a shit ton more fun than cruisers. You learn how to ride a bike better, you are faster, more capable, and can just do more than a cruiser can. Cruisers ARE NOT AS MUCH FUN, DAMNIT... The "fun factor" is just not in them.

See how stupid of an argument that is, completely retarded, because a cruiser rider can and will have just as much fun on a day out on his bike as I will on mine.

Trip, you been riding that BMW so long your actually thinking like a German! Not everything can be quantified and engineered for. Fun cannot be defined, so let those with insight into that speak for itself. Standards will exist because some "get it" just as cruisers, hack pthooey, will be enjoyed by folks that appreciate them. There is not right or wrong here.

Back to the sex...I am not sure why some folks like different stuff. I just know what I like and I dont think I would do it different with a super model versus an ugly hag. I just know it beats a test tube or spanking of the monkey. The big deal is I would enjoy it more with the super model, probably take more satisfaction from it which is why I like standards!

06-16-2011, 10:40 AM	#144
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06-16-2011, 10:56 AM	#146
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	Again, if you want to do the whole driving is pure argument, get to walking. That's pure. Driving is technology. It progresses and moves on. Manuals will eventually disappear from the American standard car market, hell it's getting that way now. Sure it may be in used cars and some race vehicles. Look at NASCAR, they still use carbs and that's pretty much gone from new cars in favor of EFI. This isn't a battle of which one is better. And fun is a completely unmeasurable quantity, because someone who likes auto or paddles will think they are a shit ton more fun than manual as opposed to you guys who think opposite. The passion of what someone wants in a sports car is completely subjective, your passion for manual can and is equaled by people with a passion for an automatic version.

06-16-2011, 11:07 AM	#149
Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	Let's take this to motorcycles. Let's say I believe sportbikes and dual sporting a shit ton more fun than cruisers. You learn how to ride a bike better, you are faster, more capable, and can just do more than a cruiser can. Cruisers ARE NOT AS MUCH FUN, DAMNIT... The "fun factor" is just not in them. See how stupid of an argument that is, completely retarded, because a cruiser rider can and will have just as much fun on a day out on his bike as I will on mine.