War on Drugs: Officially a Failure.

[t-homo]

They can actually test to see how much THC is in your system at a certain time to see if you were/are high right then.

[the chi]

Interesting how when someone with pull decides to go after something and make it illegal, it happens.

I used to take accutane, a very strong drug for acne. There were safe guards out the ying yang. Blood testing every month, legal affidavits and documents requiring my statement and signature that I was following the rules to the letter. (2 forms of birth control are required when taking this med, as it is a 100% chance of birth defects.)

A senators son decided to fly his plane into a building, and instead of blaming it on poor upbringing and mental instability, they chose to blame accutane, making it that much more difficult to get. They said it caused depression (which he had before the meds), and made him do it. It didnt cause depression in 99% of the people taking it, but that one kid was a deal breaker.

Then some other big persons kid did something stupid (cant remember what) and they banned it altogether.

Sadly, it was the only thing on the market that ever took care of my skin and to this day (several years later) I dont have the issues I did back then. (This med was not for the faint of heart or the occasional break out mind you, but I wont go into details.) Even tho it was harsh on my body, and had the potential to cause significant damage if I didnt follow the requirements, it saved me so much pain and "suffering" it saddens me that others arent able to use it as needed.

While not as drastic or life threatening as refusal to allow drugs that cure things instead of porlong them, the intent is the same.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

Throughout this thread you have advocated for the legalization of marijuana. It doesn't bother me if it is legalized and didn't before this thread started. The question that remains, and one that was asked earlier by someone else but I don't think you answered, is do you support legalizing all drugs? Without legalizing them all scant few of the issues brought up in your first post to start this thread are dealt with. "The War on Drugs" continues with little change.

Yes I do advocate the legalization and regulation of all drugs to the point that consumers purchasing narcotics through a legitimate and certified source have a right to know the potency, ingredients and "cooking" process of their chosen drug at a fair and reasonable price.

The same goes for Prostitution in my view.

Originally Posted by t-homo

They can actually test to see how much THC is in your system at a certain time to see if you were/are high right then.

That is VERY iffy.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yes I would, and I believe Progressive Insurance would work to set an industry standard in that regard, or to some degree as their Chairman of the Board and former CEO, Peter Lewis, is a huge Marijuana legalization advocate and has donated millions to the cause.

This debate is heating up as more states take up the issue of what to do with Medical Marijuana users. One recent case I read involves a hospital not willing to do a kidney transplant until the patient agrees to stop using MMJ.

I believe that IF the country goes on a path to legalization these issues will work themselves out in a fair manner as the truths come out and began to be accepted as everyday fact and not controversial.

I believe if Peter Lewis decided to set that industry standard he would be out on his ass PDQ. Progressive is a publicly traded company and the shareholders would have to be brain dead to think that would be a good idea.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by The Chi

While not as drastic or life threatening as refusal to allow drugs that cure things instead of porlong them, the intent is the same.

Exactly. It is the intent to improve someone's quality of life for their own chosen reasons.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

I believe if Peter Lewis decided to set that industry standard he would be out on his ass PDQ. Progressive is a publicly traded company and the shareholders would have to be brain dead to think that would be a good idea.

Based on the assumption that insuring people who openly smoke marijuana or use drugs IS in fact more expensive than the average person. After all, they have not started refusing to insure or pay worker's comp claims to obese people or people with insanely unhealthy diets or those that take lethal prescription medications.

I dunno, I honestly believe it could go either way....but in the end I think society will advance to the point that it is a non-issue.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Yes I do advocate the legalization and regulation of all drugs to the point that consumers purchasing narcotics through a legitimate and certified source have a right to know the potency, ingredients and "cooking" process of their chosen drug at a fair and reasonable price.

OK, I wasn't trying to ding you or anything, it was curiosity. As I said I don't mind weed being legalized, but I'm still not sure about most of the other currently illegal drugs.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

OK, I wasn't trying to ding you or anything, it was curiosity. As I said I don't mind weed being legalized, but I'm still not sure about most of the other currently illegal drugs.

They are already legal, they just use slightly different chemical compounds, and they say Pfizer on them. So as far as the legalization of all drug's effect on society as a whole, I do not believe we would be any worse off than we are now as far as percentage of citizens who go through their day on a chosen narcotic, though we would reap the benefits of legalization.

Again, our society is a culture of narcotics. The problem with Cocaine and Heroin and the like as actual medicines is that they can be produced somewhat naturally without requiring a team of PH.Ds. That alone does not make them more inherently dangerous or addictive, but it does make them hard to for Pharma to compete with. The danger lies in the quality of the product when produced to black market standards.

[goof2]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Based on the assumption that insuring people who openly smoke marijuana or use drugs IS in fact more expensive than the average person. After all, they have not started refusing to insure or pay worker's comp claims to obese people or people with insanely unhealthy diets or those that take lethal prescription medications.

I dunno, I honestly believe it could go either way....but in the end I think society will advance to the point that it is a non-issue.

I don't think insuring all people who smoke marijuana would be more expensive, just the people who work under the influence of marijuana. The problem, as I stated earlier, is there is currently no effective way I am aware of to differentiate between the two groups. The "easy" answer to the problem would be an accurate test for impairment. Until that test exists I seriously doubt you will see insurance companies jumping on board.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by goof2

I don't think insuring all people who smoke marijuana would be more expensive, just the people who work under the influence of marijuana. The problem, as I stated earlier, is there is currently no effective way I am aware of to differentiate between the two groups. The "easy" answer to the problem would be an accurate test for impairment. Until that test exists I seriously doubt you will see insurance companies jumping on board.

Fair point, but what about the cost of insuring someone who uses Marijuana on the job vs someone who uses Xanax, Prozac, Adderall, Valium, Hydrocodone or any other prescribed medication that even airline pilots are allowed to take by law, on the job?

Once it is accepted I don't believe it will be viewed differently even in the eyes of insurance companies.