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Amorok · 03-07-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

I honestly was interested in what they had to say. Especially Amorok as we've gotten in similar debates about auto matic weapons. I know he thinks I'm a coward because I don't want to kill people anymore,I guess he has a right to his opinion,but I just don't see the point.

Not wanting to kill people any more does not make you a coward, it makes you a pacifist. Constantly questioning why other people need a gun makes you sound like all the people at work who admit they are terrified of motorcycles, then ask me the same questions about them. You might be goddamn John McClain for all I know, but you sound like a hoplophobe, although not a very advanced case, so there's hope.

Amber Lamps · 03-07-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amorok

Not wanting to kill people any more does not make you a coward, it makes you a pacifist. Constantly questioning why other people need a gun makes you sound like all the people at work who admit they are terrified of motorcycles, then ask me the same questions about them. You might be goddamn John McClain for all I know, but you sound like a hoplophobe, although not a very advanced case, so there's hope.

Hmmm...I think that I have been insulted but I am too stupid to be sure.....

I was thinking about starting a new thread but I'll drop this here... Guess who may be re-entering the military in a few weeks? I had a meeting with a recruiter after I got a message that the Army was looking for me. Who knows maybe I can train the guy who puts one right between ol' what's his name's eyes! What is his name? I've seriously forgotten! Anyway,maybe there's some punch in this old soldier yet!!!

Amorok · 03-07-2009, 09:09 PM

You can't be that old.

And I didn't know pacifist was an insult.

Amber Lamps · 03-07-2009, 09:42 PM

"hoplophobe"

and I'm 43 years old,44 in May.

Amorok · 03-08-2009, 12:42 PM

Hoplophobe

Political usage

Firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to describe a "mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons".[2] Cooper employed the term as an alternative to slang terms, stating: "We read of 'gun grabbers' and 'anti-gun nuts' but these slang terms do not (explain this behavior)." Cooper attributed this behavior to an irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry. He stated that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user."

[edit] Clinical usage

In spite of the political origins and connotation of the term, it has clinical usage, and a patient may be diagnosed with this phobia[citation needed]. For instance, a patient that has no opinion on law or public policy per se but becomes terrified upon noticing a policeman's sidearm, or a photograph of a rifle or knife, may be a hoplophobe[citation needed]. Such a phobia may be present in someone who suffers from PTSD as a result of a traumatic experience involving a firearm[citation needed]. Hoplophobia is described as an uncommon phobia in Contemporary Diagnosis And Management of Anxiety Disorders.

Hoplophobe

Political usage

Firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to describe a "mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons".[2] Cooper employed the term as an alternative to slang terms, stating: "We read of 'gun grabbers' and 'anti-gun nuts' but these slang terms do not (explain this behavior)." Cooper attributed this behavior to an irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry. He stated that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user."

[edit] Clinical usage

In spite of the political origins and connotation of the term, it has clinical usage, and a patient may be diagnosed with this phobia[citation needed]. For instance, a patient that has no opinion on law or public policy per se but becomes terrified upon noticing a policeman's sidearm, or a photograph of a rifle or knife, may be a hoplophobe[citation needed]. Such a phobia may be present in someone who suffers from PTSD as a result of a traumatic experience involving a firearm[citation needed]. Hoplophobia is described as an uncommon phobia in Contemporary Diagnosis And Management of Anxiety Disorders.

Amber Lamps · 03-08-2009, 03:02 PM

Um...did you post it twice to make sure I understood it completely? Hmmm... so maybe I'm suffering from PTSD and my aversion to killing people may be a manifestation of that? Soooo...."normal" people haven't any problem with the idea of shooting another human being with a gun? Well,I guess I'm just fucked up in the head then...

Amorok · 03-08-2009, 03:19 PM

Er, didn't mean to post twice. I'm just sayin' you seem kind of skurred.

Amber Lamps · 03-08-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Amorok

Er, didn't mean to post twice. I'm just sayin' you seem kind of skurred.

You may be right,I guess. If I come down there and we go out in the hood somewhere and I cap someone will you stop thinking I'm a coward then? No bravado but I've never had any problem shooting people when I had to.

What's really funny is when I exude confidence in one thread with my ability to kill at long range,I have a huge "E-penis". When I show an aversion to killing,I'm a "coward" or "skurred". Okay sooooo.... I can't "win" no matter what I do or say... Damn,are you sure we're not dating?

Anyway,I'm only me,I'll fight or kill when I have to and I'll do my best to avoid "having to" if I can. If that is wrong,then I'll be wrong BUT I will live up to my beliefs,standards and ethics. If we're hanging out and something jumps off,I have your back BUT if I can avoid the situation I will do that too,even if that includes carrying your gun-toting ass out of there over my shoulder! I was always the bouncer that stopped fights BEFORE they started,not the typical type that waits for things to get out of control so they can get some "licks" in.

Rider · 03-09-2009, 09:27 AM

I was checking out a Sig Sauer P250 over the weekend. Very nice. Not as nice as a P229 but it's lighter and holds more rounds. The nice thing about the P250 is that you can easily change the caliber from a 9mm to a 37Sig, 40 S&W or a .45ACP quickly with the purchase of a new barrel and spring kit.

Amorok · 03-09-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

You may be right,I guess. If I come down there and we go out in the hood somewhere and I cap someone will you stop thinking I'm a coward then? No bravado but I've never had any problem shooting people when I had to.

Har de har frikkin har.

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

What's really funny is when I exude confidence in one thread with my ability to kill at long range,I have a huge "E-penis". When I show an aversion to killing,I'm a "coward" or "skurred". Okay sooooo.... I can't "win" no matter what I do or say... Damn,are you sure we're not dating?

I'm not talking about having an aversion to killing. Hell, I don't want to kill anybody either, just like I don't want a spare tire or to lock my keys in my car. But I carry a spare key, I carry stuff to change my tire and I carry a gun, in case shit happens. I support yyou in not wanting to shoot anybody but you've made it a habit to question why anybody would want to carry a gun, why I need a gun, and why I should be allowed to carry a firearm. Well, although I hope I never have to I need to carry a gun in case it should happen that somebody needs some killin'. That's right, I'm a psycho, vigilante cowboy just like carrying a gun makes me. And you should be afraid of me, having a pistol means I'm out looking for YOU. You should definitely support any law that takes that gun from under my jacket, the fucking thing's making me crazy.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by TIGGER

Anyway,I'm only me,I'll fight or kill when I have to and I'll do my best to avoid "having to" if I can. If that is wrong,then I'll be wrong BUT I will live up to my beliefs,standards and ethics. If we're hanging out and something jumps off,I have your back BUT if I can avoid the situation I will do that too,even if that includes carrying your gun-toting ass out of there over my shoulder! I was always the bouncer that stopped fights BEFORE they started,not the typical type that waits for things to get out of control so they can get some "licks" in.

Well, when you have to, if that situation ever arrises, I hope the other guy isn't carrying a weapon, or you're fucked. Just because I have a gun doesn't mean I'll draw it in every confrontation, but when the other guy pulls a gun it'll be nice not to die for lack of shooting back. And as for being a bouncer, I did it too and I didn't care when the fight stopped as long as it was soon. If we're ever in a fight together I'll thank you not to try to carry me anywhere, just stay out of my way.

03-07-2009, 09:09 PM	#113
Amorok Issukangitok Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Biloxi, MS Moto: '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50T Posts: 2,225	You can't be that old. And I didn't know pacifist was an insult. __________________ What goes around comes around. Sometimes you get what's coming around, and sometimes you are what's coming around. You see what I mean?

03-08-2009, 12:42 PM	#115
Amorok Issukangitok Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Biloxi, MS Moto: '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50T Posts: 2,225	Hoplophobe Political usage Firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to describe a "mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons".[2] Cooper employed the term as an alternative to slang terms, stating: "We read of 'gun grabbers' and 'anti-gun nuts' but these slang terms do not (explain this behavior)." Cooper attributed this behavior to an irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry. He stated that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user." [edit] Clinical usage In spite of the political origins and connotation of the term, it has clinical usage, and a patient may be diagnosed with this phobia[citation needed]. For instance, a patient that has no opinion on law or public policy per se but becomes terrified upon noticing a policeman's sidearm, or a photograph of a rifle or knife, may be a hoplophobe[citation needed]. Such a phobia may be present in someone who suffers from PTSD as a result of a traumatic experience involving a firearm[citation needed]. Hoplophobia is described as an uncommon phobia in Contemporary Diagnosis And Management of Anxiety Disorders. Hoplophobe Political usage Firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper coined the word in 1962 to describe a "mental disturbance characterized by irrational aversion to weapons".[2] Cooper employed the term as an alternative to slang terms, stating: "We read of 'gun grabbers' and 'anti-gun nuts' but these slang terms do not (explain this behavior)." Cooper attributed this behavior to an irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry. He stated that "the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user." [edit] Clinical usage In spite of the political origins and connotation of the term, it has clinical usage, and a patient may be diagnosed with this phobia[citation needed]. For instance, a patient that has no opinion on law or public policy per se but becomes terrified upon noticing a policeman's sidearm, or a photograph of a rifle or knife, may be a hoplophobe[citation needed]. Such a phobia may be present in someone who suffers from PTSD as a result of a traumatic experience involving a firearm[citation needed]. Hoplophobia is described as an uncommon phobia in Contemporary Diagnosis And Management of Anxiety Disorders. __________________ What goes around comes around. Sometimes you get what's coming around, and sometimes you are what's coming around. You see what I mean?

03-08-2009, 03:19 PM	#117
Amorok Issukangitok Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Biloxi, MS Moto: '06 Suzuki Boulevard C50T Posts: 2,225	Er, didn't mean to post twice. I'm just sayin' you seem kind of skurred. __________________ What goes around comes around. Sometimes you get what's coming around, and sometimes you are what's coming around. You see what I mean?

03-07-2009, 09:42 PM	#114
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	"hoplophobe" and I'm 43 years old,44 in May.

03-08-2009, 03:02 PM	#116
Amber Lamps Moto GP Star Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 14,556	Um...did you post it twice to make sure I understood it completely? Hmmm... so maybe I'm suffering from PTSD and my aversion to killing people may be a manifestation of that? Soooo...."normal" people haven't any problem with the idea of shooting another human being with a gun? Well,I guess I'm just fucked up in the head then...

03-09-2009, 09:27 AM	#119
Rider Moto GP Star Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 12,156	I was checking out a Sig Sauer P250 over the weekend. Very nice. Not as nice as a P229 but it's lighter and holds more rounds. The nice thing about the P250 is that you can easily change the caliber from a 9mm to a 37Sig, 40 S&W or a .45ACP quickly with the purchase of a new barrel and spring kit.