And another one (that was stopped)

[Papa_Complex]

Two people have been arrested over a plot to derail a train that runs between Toronto and New York.

RCMP arrest two in alleged plot to derail VIA Rail train

Canadian security officials say they have thwarted a terrorism plot and arrested two suspects in Ontario and Quebec.

By: Michelle Shephard National Security Reporter, Andrew Livingstone News reporter, Published on Mon Apr 22 2013

Two terrorism suspects charged with plotting to derail a VIA passenger train travelling between Toronto and New York, in what police are calling a “Al Qaeda-sponsored” attack with alleged ties to Iran, will appear in court Tuesday morning.

Raed Jaser, 35, of Toronto, and 30-year-old Chiheb Esseghaier, from Montreal, both face five charges including a conspiring with a terrorist group, although the RCMP said the public did not face “imminent” danger.

The Tunisian-born Esseghaier is an engineer with a master’s degree in industrial biotechnology from Tunis, according to an online blog that was deleted shortly after his arrest was announced. He studied at Quebec’s Université de Sherbrooke from 2008-2009 and is currently listed as a doctoral student at the Institute National de la Recherche Scientifique, near Montreal.

RCMP officers flew Esseghaier to Toronto Monday, escorting him off a small aircraft at Buttonville Municipal Airport in handcuffs and shackles 10 minutes before his arrest was announced publicly.

Jaser, according to sources, is of Palestinian descent and lived in the United Arab Emirates before moving here. Neighbours confirmed he lived in a rented North York apartment but were unaware of his profession.

Lawyer John Norris said he spoke with Jaser from custody and has been retained to represent him at his bail hearing at Old City Hall court Tuesday.

“I don’t know what to expect,” said Norris Monday night, who has represented other high-profile Canadians such as former Guantanamo detainee Omar Khadr and a member of the 2006 so-called Toronto 18 case.

RCMP Superintendent Doug Best called the arrest the “first known Al Qaeda-planned attack” in Canada.

Both men had reportedly been under surveillance and police would not comment on the timing of Monday’s arrest or if any further arrests were expected here or abroad. Police allege the men were still in the planning stage.

Security sources close to the investigation told the Star the Canadian Security Intelligence Service had been tracking the pair since last year and the RCMP launched “Project Smooth,” in co-ordination with local police in Toronto and Montreal and the FBI in September.

The two men did surveillance on trains and railways in the GTA, police said, adding they are still executing search warrants related to the plot, which they said was in the planning stage.

The arrests came as a shock Monday to a public weary of terrorism headlines following last week’s deadly bombings at the Boston Marathon and two recent high-profile attacks in Algeria and Somalia, allegedly led by Canadians.

RCMP says it has thwarted a terrorism plot to derail a VIA passenger train bound on an undisclosed route with support from Al Qaeda in Iran, police announced Monday.

“Had this plot been carried out, it would have resulted in innocent people being killed or seriously injured,” said RCMP Assistant Commissioner James Malizia.

Malizia said “Al Qaeda elements in Iran” were providing support to the two men in the form of “direction” and “guidance” but that the alleged plot was not state-sponsored.

The connection to Iran is still unclear and raised questions Monday as Al Qaeda’s membership is largely Sunni extremists, not normally welcomed in a country governed by Shia theocrats. However, there have been cases of high-level Al Qaeda members hiding in Iran — most notably Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, who was arrested and brought to the U.S. to face trial last month after he left Iran for Turkey.

“It’s the old saw the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” said Fen Hampson, the director of the Global Security Program at the Centre for International Governance Innovation. “These people can be useful for them in their efforts to undermine Western influence.”

“The nature of the connection in this case is pretty unclear, at least in terms of what we know publicly,” he added. “It’s likely, if there is a link to Iran, it’s more likely the Iranians are looking the other way as opposed to directly state sponsoring attacks.”

Alireza Miryousefi, the spokesperson for the Iranian mission to the United Nations, disputed the suggestion that the terrorist network was operating in Iran.

“Iran’s position against this group is very clear and well known. (Al Qaeda) has no possibility to do any activity inside Iran or conduct any operation abroad from Iran’s territory,” Miryousefi said in a statement emailed to the Associated Press late Monday. “We reject strongly and categorically any connection to this story.”

The RCMP had invited leaders and activists from various Muslim communities to a briefing about the case an hour before Monday’s press conference and many remained behind to speak with journalists. Some said they were bracing for a backlash against Muslims.

“Islam does not teach these crimes,” said Farma Siddiqi, who works at the grassroots level to keep youth away from extremism. “They are heinous attacks on our safety and security.”

Muhammad Robert Heft, president of Paradise Forever, which is a support group for new converts to the Muslim faith, said he felt some community leaders were unwilling to face the issue of extremism head on and was disappointed by their reactions in the meeting.

Heft said he sometimes hears young community members talking about “grievances overseas and doing something here,” but steps in to try to challenge their beliefs. If he’s unable to sway them away from violence, then he believes they should be monitored by police.

“We need to do more outreach,” he said. “We can’t just play the blame game and not take responsibility.”

News of these arrests follow at least two other cases where the RCMP is investigating Canadians at the forefront of a terrorist attacks. High school friends from London, Ont., were reportedly among the leaders of a January attack at an Algerian gas plant that killed 37 hostages.

And Mahad Ali Dhore, who grew up in Markham and studied at York University, is suspected of leading a suicide attack in Mogadishu, Somalia a week ago that killed at least 29.

[Homeslice]

I'd like to know what constitutes a "plot". A bunch of internet posts?

I've seen plenty of people write posts about killing people or destroying things, including sharing technical details about how it could be done. Doesn't mean they intend to actually do it.

Walking around "checking out" the train system doesn't prove anything either.

Malizia said “Al Qaeda elements in Iran” were providing support to the two men in the form of “direction” and “guidance”

Al Qaeda "elements"

i.e. a guy who mowed the lawn of the brother of the cousin of an alleged Al Qaeda member.

[Papa_Complex]

Perhaps, but in this case the guy in Toronto was reported by an Imam, who said that he the suspect was trying to put ideas into the heads of young Muslims at his Mosque. That's when police started looking into him.

Hey, be nice. The Conservative government needs the occasional ratings boost