mexican drug cartels

[smileyman]

Ok Touche' suppose they got their figures from their tax returns...I think I need more definitive numbers than what someone posted on the internetz...

Anyways legalizing it wouldnt stop Mexican production, they still work cheaper than US farmers...

[Homeslice]

And if this article is true, that US growers' share of the US pot market has increased to 50%, it doesn't seem unaffordable to me. Seems like people have plenty of choices other than Mexican.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100603847.html

[t-homo]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

And if this article is true, that US growers' share of pot sales has increased to 50%, it doesn't seem unaffordable to me. Seems like people have plenty of choices other than Mexican.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100603847.html

california medical and home grown are 4-5 times more expensive than mexican weed. for a lot of people, its not affordable.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

Now some of this I agree with. However, to blame some 21 year old kid who's buying schwag for $60 an oz for helping to finance terrorism or drug cartel murders is too far out there IMO. The current generation and last few had nothing to do with America's War on Drugs. And despite millions and millions of dollars (privately donated BTW) being donated in an effort to repeal said laws Fed Gov. has barely budged an inch. In fact, it had gotten steadily worse up until this year. At this point its an ego thing and a refusal to admit wrong doing and thousands of needlessly destroyed families and lives.

The mentality that you can put a guilty label on someone because they've broken an asinine law does not sit well with me. Yes, I understand the dictionary definition of the word guilty, however to label perpetrators of certain crimes as guilty carries a negative connotation despite the fact that the "guilty" party may have actually done nothing wrong.

Then you can take it down to a level of, "Is breaking any law always wrong." If you say yes then IMO that is a sign of your total submission to a corrupt and unjust government and system. You are saying that in order to be morally correct one must always follow the written laws of their society no matter the law or situation. You're granting corrupt and out of touch law makers a tremendous amount of power. But if you say no then you are acknowledging that it should be the population that has the power to overrule governmental tyranny and in the case of those that use illegal narcotics, oppression.

I believe we have one life to live and I'm not going to spend mine writing letters to Congressional aides hoping the government will allow me to do what I want at some point before I die. Sure, I'll debate it on the internet with you because other people's POV is interesting to me and I live to argue. However the illusion that I, at this point, can make some sort of difference is not something I share.

I have never said "breaking any law is wrong"........I break traffic laws dozens of times every day. All I was saying was, if you break the law, you can't claim ignorance of it if you're caught.

The act of smoking itself isn't morally wrong.........Morally wrong = something that hurts others.......And that's my beef about buying Mexican weed. If you want to smoke, then buy domestic. Does it cost more, I guess so......But it would be with a clearer conscience.

As far as the laws go, nothing is going to happen unless people step up and declare that those laws are wrong. The speed limit isn't 55 anymore, is it? People successfully changed it. Alcohol isn't prohibited anymore is it? People successfully changed it.

[Smittie61984]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Alcohol isn't prohibited anymore is it? People successfully changed it.

It took a lot of people dying (especially law enforcement) to get that changed.

[Kaneman]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

I have never said "breaking any law is wrong"........I break traffic laws dozens of times every day. All I was saying was, if you break the law, you can't claim ignorance of it if you're caught.

The act of smoking itself isn't morally wrong.........Morally wrong = something that hurts others.......And that's my beef about buying Mexican weed. If you want to smoke, then buy domestic. Does it cost more, I guess so......But it would be with a clearer conscience.

As far as the laws go, nothing is going to happen unless people step up and declare that those laws are wrong. The speed limit isn't 55 anymore, is it? People successfully changed it. Alcohol isn't prohibited anymore is it? People successfully changed it.

The War on Drugs is a bit different than Alcohol prohibition or a 55mph speed limit. The biggest priority in this fight for the other side is the attempt to save face after ruining so many thousands of lives through the enforcement of needless laws. 80 years of ludicrous propaganda and indoctrination vs. 3 years of alcohol being illegal. You can't really compare and make the argument that people changed prohibition laws so they can do it for everything else too as this is a vastly more complex issue.

I realize you're referring specifically to Marijuana while I am referring to all chemicals not capable of being converted to WMDs being legalized. However, back to the "buying Mexican weed" debate...it is simply not feasible for most people to shell out $20 a gram for the homegrown alternative. There is and always will be a demand and people are going to go to affordable prices. Eventually, hopefully, someone with some sense who also has enough money and power will realize that the only way to stop the violence is to put them out of business through legalization.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

If you like it so much, take the risk of making your own.

Or, buy more drugs so the cartels can buy more weapons!

Your logic is fucked up. These people kill because their ruthless, not because some kid bought a dime bag of hash. Equating one with the other is mindless banter promoted by governments to cover up their own failing in not legalizing pot.

Thats like saying, if we didnt buy bikes, cagers wouldnt cut us off on them. Its an answer, but not one that makes any sense.

[t-homo]

or buy from people who do grow their own.

[t-homo]

IDK if I am for harder drugs than cannabis being legalized. It's natural, not harmful to your health aside from smoking anything else, and not addicting.

Almost all other drugs, save shrooms, are man made by chemicals or cutting it with other things like ether, can be life threatening, and are very addictive. Ex eats holes in your brain, acid stays in your spine forever. You can OD really easily if you aren't positive what you are doing. I have some friends who can do coke once every few months and have no problem with it, and others who blow every paycheck on it because they have to have it.

[Kaneman]

Doesn't matter to me if the other drugs are bad enough to kill you the first time you try them. There should be a clear and non-biased education source provided so everyone knows the potential effects and then we get to choose for ourselves....you know, like if we lived in a free country and really believed in personal responsibility. No Government should ever be able to tell someone what they can or can not put into their bodies.