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If the Choice is to punish someone for protecting themselves for using deadly force because you don't like or trust their motivations than that is mot just wrong it is evil . From what I have I don't particularly like Zimmerman, but the moment it when hands on, he was within his rights to use deadly force. Suspicious following or even hateful speech is not grounds for assault. Being and A**hole does not end your right to defend yourself. The moment it does then being and A**hole out of season becomes a crime. Given a choice I will choose a "Stand your Ground" with it's flaws over a "Must Retreat" state every time !
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You miss my point. Under this law you can essentially pick a fight, then blow away your opponent if things go against you. That is WRONG. It would also fall under a reasonable definition of evil.
To my mind the law must be amended, to take this into account. If you create the situation, then you should not be able to then claim self defence.
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See: Fighting words. JC
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Whether or not someone was picking a fight is a big gray area.
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I say whether or not someone instigated it is a lot less important than whether or not he justifiably felt his life was in danger.
Sounds like we all agree Zimmerman is a dick, and that he shouldn't have done what he did. But, we have no idea whether he felt his life was in danger. If he did, then lethal force is justified. Punish him separately for instigating, if you wish. That issue should be totally disconnected from the right to defend. I'm not sure why certain states feel it necessary to create this whole "stand your ground" BS, when a simple standard of whether someone could reasonably believe that their life is in immediate danger should be enough. At least that's how it is in most normal states. I would not call FL or NH or TX normal states. ![]() Then again, I haven't bothered to read the whole law, so I'm talking out of my ass as usual. Last edited by Homeslice; 07-24-2012 at 12:04 PM.. |
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"Well, HE started it!". I see a bunch of Hell's Angels on the side of the road. So I pull over and say, "I heard you guys all like to take it in the ass!". Now they're coming toward me, and I'm afraid for my life, so I shot them all. No, that shit shouldn't fly under, "stand your ground". Don't start shit, won't be shit. JC
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Yes, of course. Ancient Tibetan philosophy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JdLbYinkZQ
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I really wound't argue that FL couldn't use some tweaking. At the same time the idea that I give up First Amendment rights if I choose to Protect myself is just nuts.
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