TSA Reduces Former Miss USA to Tears

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

Is this Speed Addiction in disguise?

Whoever you are, you're a fucking idiot.

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Kaneman

But then someone else can say that its not, that if you're carrying a handgun the scanners are likely to catch that....thus keeping everyone safe from handguns.

Does anyone see what I'm doing here?

Then someone else can say "When was the last time an airliner was hijacked using a handgun and then flown into a huge skyscraper ultimately killing 3000?" and "Metal detectors detect handguns too," and "Death is always a risk in a free society, especially during mass transit," and finally, in response to 'if you don't want to be scanned don't go to the airport' proponents, "If you don't want to be free don't live in the United States of America."

[fatbuckRTO]

Originally Posted by Dave

Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

That's my thought regarding TSA. Do what's required of you or don't exist. Simple.

TSA has never stopped a terrorist attack in it's entire history. All the attacks since 9/11 have been stopped by attentive passengers and/or flight crew. The approach of "search or scan everybody 'randomly' and equally" is ridiculous and impotent, and as a result so is TSA.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Dave

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

Do what we tell you!

Freedom fail!
Sheep...

Originally Posted by fatbuckRTO

TSA has never stopped a terrorist attack in it's entire history. All the attacks since 9/11 have been stopped by attentive passengers and/or flight crew. The approach of "search or scan everybody 'randomly' and equally" is ridiculous and impotent, and as a result so is TSA.

Correct answer.

[anthonyk]

Originally Posted by Dave

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

I guess I should quit my job then, since not being willing to fly would likely get me fired.




Last trip, I got asked to stand in line for the scanner when there was a perfectly good metal detector standing empty. I asked if I could just go through the metal detector, and the TSA guy just looked at me.

That's how I found out that at least in Buffalo, the TSA guys nickname you "Happy" on the radio if you're grumpy with them.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Dave

No and no.

I usually stay out of these arguments since whatever they do at the airport I've put up with worse in service of the nation. To my point of view you all sound like a pack of blubbering vaginas. Do what's required of you or don't go. Simple

The reason you put up with worse is because you have to. You're in the military (voluntarily, I might add). The military exists to take the burden off the citizens. Not just in terms of defending themselves, but also to not have to worry about being treated like cattle.

And just because you're in the military doesn't mean you have to agree lock-step with everyting this country does in the name of security.

[Avatard]

Originally Posted by Homeslice

The reason you put up with worse is because you have to. You're in the military (voluntarily, I might add).

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

Well, that's cool I guess...someone has to defend our freedoms, even if he doesn't personally understand them.

[Homeslice]

Originally Posted by Avatard

Oh, that explains it. He does what he's told, and that's all he knows.

He'll make a nice pet.

I don't accuse servicemen of being robots. I tried to join myself. I just feel that they can't lay claim to the "wo is me" defense. Do they make plenty of sacrifices, yes.....But they voluntarily joined, and in return for their hardships, they receive intangible benefits that civilians don't (pride, camradere, adventure, etc.).

[fnfalman]

Former Miss USA must have been a Muslim terrorist or something...

Fuck the TSA!!!

[goof2]

Originally Posted by OneSickPsycho

If you think it makes us more safe, keep drinking the Kool Aid... like the others on here, I've traveled with a pocket knife and jumbo thing of hair gel in my carry on that could have been any number of nasty chemicals... not so much as a second look.

There's a video of Adam Savage from Mythbusters showing a foot long razor blade used to shape styrofoam that he made it through security with... There's also quite a few documented cases of people making it through with much scarier shit...

Body scanning is INCREDIBLY invasive... I could give a fuck if the scanned image of my (horribly disfigured) naked body gets out on the internet... but what about kids? You know there's a disgustingly huge market for kiddie shit and we've already had a number of documented instances where these imaged were leaked... Basically the TSA has just provided another way for pedos to get more kiddie porn... and a good majority of the population just LOVES it!

My theory on how this actually works... The Muslim fanatics see us all scrambling, compromising our way of life, allowing ourselves to be violated... and they love it. THAT'S the only reason there hasn't been another plane related attack as far as I'm concerned. However, at some point in time, we will piss off another group or some home grown whacko will go off the deep end, and we will see exactly how pointless all of this 'security' really is.

Furthermore, you really want to talk about a lack of security? How about the huge gatherings of people in the lines waiting to go through security? I've been in lines of at LEAST 100 people. Nobody so much as looked at me when I got to the airport and walked up to these lines... Someone could saunter in with a fucking nuclear warhead and nobody would notice... Or fuck, how about just one suicide bomber in the middle of that mess - boom, I feel more secure.

The solution is scrutinization of passengers based on profiling... Sorry, it's going to hurt some feelings, but the 90 year old white lady in a wheelchair is most likely not on a suicide mission to take out a building with a plane. The process now is completely brainless and EASY to beat... Profile and observe... use bomb sniffing dogs (the Russians have a FANTASTIC program)... No need to scan my junk or feel up my 6 year old neice...

Ben Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Someone could also simply make a "blade" out of plastic that would be just as, if not more, deadly than a box cutter. I disagree about why there hasn't been another plane related attack though.

Before 9/11 hijackings were about the people on board the plane. They served as leverage the hijackers could use to make something happen. Sure, hijackers would occasionally kill a few to demonstrate how "serious" they were but overall hostages were treated as valuable and were relatively safe. Airplanes were targeted for no other reason than by design they easily confine a large number of people, are mobile, and were viewed (somewhat incorrectly) as easy to defend. Because of this people (including crew) learned to be passive and the situation would eventually be worked out.

For obvious reasons that is no longer the case. If the theory about Flight 93 is correct assumptions about how to deal with a hijacking changed as the events on 9/11 were happening. Hijacking an airplane makes little sense anymore since hijackers are no longer going to be dealing with a passive group just trying to make it through the incident alive. The threat of death makes little difference to people who believe they are going to die anyway. Hijackers will now get a group intent on preventing them from using the airplane as a giant cruise missile. That shift alone serves as more prevention than any security measures the TSA could institute.



On a different note, how many of you who are complaining about security at airports believe weapons should be allowed on commercial aircraft?