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WERA White Plate
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Moto: '01 Aprilia Falco
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Tiered licensing doesn't have to be a straight cc limit. Limiting horsepower is probably a smarter idea. I dunno if the mandatory MSF is a good idea or not. I haven't seen any convincing studies that show the class does any long-term good. |
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too much time on my hands
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: the northern district of god damn
Moto: 01 ZX6R, looking for more now.
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limiting how much power a newbie can have in their bike helps them focus more on learning to RIDE it than to just go fast in straight lines. |
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AMA Supersport
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Richmond, Tx
Moto: '10 Tuono Factory
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thats a HUGE number.....
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Ornery, scandalous & evil
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Moto: 2004 Scarlet R1
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The MSF is the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. The CLASS you take is called (at least here in FL) the BRC - BASIC Riders Course. Emphasis on BASIC. It doesn't pretend to teach you everything you need to know, it's intended as an introductory course to give you the basic knowledge needed to operate a motorcycle. And when you finish the course, they literally tell you 'Congratulations! You're now qualfied to ride a motorcycle around a parking lot!' That said, it's more training than most people would get otherwise. Having your brother's father's uncle's friend let you take their bike up and down the street a few times doesn't really constitute much in the way of "learning" how to ride. But having some basic skills, and then PRACTICING them (on your own, or with a skilled rider) both in a controlled environment (like a parking lot) and then on the street will go a long way. Quote:
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just learning
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: western nc
Moto: 1996 M900
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NC You can get a learners by taking a written test, to get full license if you take MSF and pass no driving test but written test a must, no MSF take driving test and written test
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sergeant hatred
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ottawa
Moto: The bus
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When I took my test in 1988, The guy watched me drive around a parking lot setup to simulate a road situation.
He was probably 100 yards away when I was furthest from him. The OSC(Ottawa Safety Council) test is much harder(our current test is written only, I believe), and they have been granted the power to award passing eqivilency tests for licences(you still have to do the paperwork at the MOT).
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Aspiring Rapper
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Halifax, NS
Moto: '12 CB1000R
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MSF test and our local test are the same.. ( We have Nova Scotia Safety Council not MSF. But, they use MSF materials.) Well, the harder parts anyway. Figure 8's and circles. I don't think you do the avoidance part.. |
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Aspiring Rapper
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Halifax, NS
Moto: '12 CB1000R
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But, what's the percentage of formally trained riders? If it's 95% who aren't formally trained, then they're coming out ahead.
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AMA Supersport
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Richmond, Tx
Moto: '10 Tuono Factory
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thats the prob. nobody really knows how many people actually ride licensed or not.
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DefenderOfTheBuelliverse
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Location: Parts Unknown
Moto: Buell XB12R
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I think the MSF should be required. It's better than zero training. But it's not perfect. I had 2 people in class crash and they both passed.
It's not required in PA....but it is FREE.
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