How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the room

Avatard · 12-26-2009, 03:10 PM

As recriminations fly post-Copenhagen, one writer offers a fly-on-the-wall account of how talks failed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...nge-mark-lynas

Tmall · 12-26-2009, 03:12 PM

Summary for us phone surfers?

Homeslice · 12-26-2009, 03:15 PM

What do you expect China to do? Half of their population rides two-stroke crap.

Smittie61984 · 12-26-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Summary for us phone surfers?

Well we can thank China...

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I am certain that had the Chinese not been in the room, we would have left Copenhagen with a deal that had environmentalists popping champagne corks popping in every corner of the world

China played games such as having some middle of the totem pole official take the place of China's leader in talks with other world leaders (even sitting across from President Obama) and then having the guy go make phone calls to his superior. They kept stalling the meetings and wanted to flex their muscles as a new super power and on top of that make it look like an Obama faillure and that the rich nations walked away because of their greed.

It worked very well.

fatbuckRTO · 12-26-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Summary for us phone surfers?

According to the author, China first sent only a second tier representative to the talks to which other countries sent thier heads of state (and would often cause big delays because he would have to make phone calls to his superiors). It then proceeded to destroy any results by using its so called proxy or puppet states like Sudan to derail the open-session talks, and directly wreck the closed-session talks or whittle down the language of restrictions it didn't like until the "regulation" was worthless. The author assumes China did this to protect its growing coal industry, which is the basis of its growing power and dominance on the world stage.

ETA: Don't know how I missed that Smittie had already summarized.

Dave · 12-26-2009, 04:52 PM

good for them.

Tmall · 12-26-2009, 11:19 PM

Thanks for the summation guys.
That's pretty bush league on their part.

Dave · 12-27-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tmall

Thanks for the summation guys.
That's pretty bush league on their part.

no, its protecting their interests. something this country hasn't seemed to care about in a long fucking time

Avatard · 12-27-2009, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

no, its protecting their interests. something this country hasn't seemed to care about in a long fucking time

See: Iraq [hint: oil]

Tmall · 12-27-2009, 03:16 AM

I'm talking about sending somebody who had to check with a supervisor..

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Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Summary for us phone surfers?

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Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	What do you expect China to do? Half of their population rides two-stroke crap.

12-26-2009, 11:19 PM	#7
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	Thanks for the summation guys. That's pretty bush league on their part.

12-27-2009, 03:16 AM	#10
Tmall Aspiring Rapper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Halifax, NS Moto: '12 CB1000R Posts: 3,569	I'm talking about sending somebody who had to check with a supervisor..