Austin: traffic stop, CHL holders, stupidity ensues

RACER X · 09-09-2009, 03:22 PM

now you guy's know i'm not one to bash cops.......but this is pretty sad and stupid........on the cops part.

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/mobile/Traff..._APD_complaint

Traffic stop ends in APD
complaint
Updated: Tuesday, 08 Sep 2009, 10:22 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 08 Sep 2009, 9:13 PM CDT

Shannon Wolfson
AUSTIN (KXAN) - A former Central Texas police officer has filed a complaint against an Austin police officer after a Labor Day traffic stop that involved two guns.

Steve Ou was a passenger in a car pulled over on Monday for entering an intersection and getting stuck in a line of traffic when the light turned red. He and the driver were both licensed to carry a concealed handgun.

"It was interesting to me that this one officer immediately decided to handcuff us and take our weapons from us because I've never encountered that from any other law enforcement agency," said Ou.

Ou is a former Elgin police officer who was fired from the force in December 2008 for allegedly using a club to break a suspect's car window after a high speed chase. He had 10 years of law enforcement experience.

The driver of the car involved in the traffic stop recently graduated from a Central Texas law enforcement training academy. He refused to allow the officer to search his vehicle, telling Austin News off camera that he had recently purchased ammunition that was in the vehicle.

"I can hear my friend say I don't have any guns in the car, don't have any drugs in the car, don't have anything illegal in the car, but I don't want you to search my vehicle," said Ou.

While the officer was writing a ticket, Ou called APD dispatch to request a supervisor come to the scene.

"I wanted to file a complaint against how he was treating us," said Ou.

Then, Ou claims the officer refused to return the men's guns unless they left before the supervisor arrived. Texas law allows an officer to take a person's firearm, but they are also required to return it if the person is not detained.

"He refused to give it back to me citing officer safety and saying that if he gave it back that we may kill him or harm him," said Ou. "I thought that was kind of strange because I called and asked for another officer- a supervisor."

Ou claimed even with the supervisor present, the officer wanted to secure the guns in the trunk. They again refused him access - and suggested he leave the guns near a fire hydrant about 30 yards away, then drive away so he did not feel threatened. He said that is exactly what the officer did.

Ou filed a complaint with the Police Monitor's office which means Austin police will conduct an internal investigation.

An APD spokesperson said they take all complaints seriously, but the cannot comment on an any active internal investigation.

Ou said he believes the officer's in car camera captured the incident on video.

Kaneman · 09-09-2009, 07:00 PM

Christ almighty.

azoomm · 09-09-2009, 11:08 PM

The skeptic in me says there is more to the story.

101lifts2 · 09-09-2009, 11:23 PM

Why do cops have to always "search" vehicles for a traffic infraction?

SteveP · 09-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Why do cops have to always "search" vehicles for a traffic infraction?

Because people are stupid and give up their rights.

Particle Man · 09-13-2009, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101lifts2

Why do cops have to always "search" vehicles for a traffic infraction?

dunkin' donuts was closed...

Homeslice · 09-14-2009, 01:03 AM

So they lied about having guns, and are surprised when they got treated that way?

RACER X · 09-14-2009, 09:21 AM

no, they told cop they had weapons. they were treated that way cuz they didn't want their car searched, for no reason. and cuz they were carrying guns LEGALLY.

Homeslice · 09-14-2009, 09:38 AM

"I can hear my friend say I don't have any guns in the car, don't have any drugs in the car, don't have anything illegal in the car, but I don't want you to search my vehicle," said Ou.

azoomm · 09-14-2009, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeslice

"I can hear my friend say I don't have any guns in the car, don't have any drugs in the car, don't have anything illegal in the car, but I don't want you to search my vehicle," said Ou.

Right.

There is more to the story.

I've been pulled over numerous times. My friends have also been pulled over numerous times. Not ever have I been asked to leave the vehicle so they can search it. That is even after telling them there are guns in the car - [transporting shot-guns]. Something stinks - it just seems strange to me that they get pulled over for blocking an intersection and it just BAM turns into a search and seizure situation.

09-09-2009, 03:22 PM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	Austin: traffic stop, CHL holders, stupidity ensues now you guy's know i'm not one to bash cops.......but this is pretty sad and stupid........on the cops part. http://www.kxan.com/dpp/mobile/Traff..._APD_complaint Traffic stop ends in APD complaint Updated: Tuesday, 08 Sep 2009, 10:22 PM CDT Published : Tuesday, 08 Sep 2009, 9:13 PM CDT Shannon Wolfson AUSTIN (KXAN) - A former Central Texas police officer has filed a complaint against an Austin police officer after a Labor Day traffic stop that involved two guns. Steve Ou was a passenger in a car pulled over on Monday for entering an intersection and getting stuck in a line of traffic when the light turned red. He and the driver were both licensed to carry a concealed handgun. "It was interesting to me that this one officer immediately decided to handcuff us and take our weapons from us because I've never encountered that from any other law enforcement agency," said Ou. Ou is a former Elgin police officer who was fired from the force in December 2008 for allegedly using a club to break a suspect's car window after a high speed chase. He had 10 years of law enforcement experience. The driver of the car involved in the traffic stop recently graduated from a Central Texas law enforcement training academy. He refused to allow the officer to search his vehicle, telling Austin News off camera that he had recently purchased ammunition that was in the vehicle. "I can hear my friend say I don't have any guns in the car, don't have any drugs in the car, don't have anything illegal in the car, but I don't want you to search my vehicle," said Ou. While the officer was writing a ticket, Ou called APD dispatch to request a supervisor come to the scene. "I wanted to file a complaint against how he was treating us," said Ou. Then, Ou claims the officer refused to return the men's guns unless they left before the supervisor arrived. Texas law allows an officer to take a person's firearm, but they are also required to return it if the person is not detained. "He refused to give it back to me citing officer safety and saying that if he gave it back that we may kill him or harm him," said Ou. "I thought that was kind of strange because I called and asked for another officer- a supervisor." Ou claimed even with the supervisor present, the officer wanted to secure the guns in the trunk. They again refused him access - and suggested he leave the guns near a fire hydrant about 30 yards away, then drive away so he did not feel threatened. He said that is exactly what the officer did. Ou filed a complaint with the Police Monitor's office which means Austin police will conduct an internal investigation. An APD spokesperson said they take all complaints seriously, but the cannot comment on an any active internal investigation. Ou said he believes the officer's in car camera captured the incident on video. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

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09-09-2009, 11:08 PM	#3
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09-14-2009, 09:21 AM	#8
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	no, they told cop they had weapons. they were treated that way cuz they didn't want their car searched, for no reason. and cuz they were carrying guns LEGALLY. __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

09-14-2009, 01:03 AM	#7
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	So they lied about having guns, and are surprised when they got treated that way?

09-14-2009, 09:38 AM	#9
Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	"I can hear my friend say I don't have any guns in the car, don't have any drugs in the car, don't have anything illegal in the car, but I don't want you to search my vehicle," said Ou.