Several people dead in New Jersey mall shooting

[Papa_Complex]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-shop...9#.UECiKpYuYgw

[nhgunnut]

Again in a state with some of the strictest of gun laws. Sad very sad

[Gas Man]

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

Again in a state with some of the strictest of gun laws. Sad very sad

This. T H I S

[Sixxxxer]

Originally Posted by Gas Man

This. T H I S

At the end of the day, If someone wants it done...Laws dont mean SHIT.

[Papa_Complex]

Originally Posted by nhgunnut

Again in a state with some of the strictest of gun laws. Sad very sad

The biggest problem that you guys have, is that there's no national strategy on firearms. It doesn't matter what an individual State's firearms laws are, if you can go just a State or two over and load up your trunk.

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

The biggest problem that you guys have, is that there's no national strategy on firearms. It doesn't matter what an individual State's firearms laws are, if you can go just a State or two over and load up your trunk.

Respectfully Papa , there is a National Strategy,and it is quite clear on who can and cannot buy firearms. A federal Background check is required on every purchase. Additionally the Federal Government limits what can and can not be sold. Also because the ATF is one of the very few federal agencies that can "Rule by Decree" they can cancel or hold the sale of any weapon at will. (most notably they can also intimidate a Licensed Dealer into making what they believe to be an illegal sale as Proven by "Fast and Furious") What is then happens is each state then can pile on their own laws and restrictions in addition to the Federal Laws. As it Happens the States that have the most liberal gun laws have the least amount of gun crime and gun violence. Here in the NorthEast US Those that have Prohibitive laws like Mass New York and New Jersey Have the Highest rates of Gun Crime and Gun Violence. We could "Chicken and Egg" the reasons all day but the facts are here in the US Gun Laws do not prevent crime.

[Smittie61984]

I believe there is a national standard on gun laws in the US and you can find it in the 2nd ammendment. And with the Arizona ruling that basically states that state laws don't mean shit if it contradicts federal law, then I don't see how cities like NYC and Chicago can ban weapons that are legal according to the federal government.

I personally believe there are 2 things the government should not be allowed to have knowledge of. That is how much money someone makes and what individuals own guns.

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by Smittie61984

I believe there is a national standard on gun laws in the US and you can find it in the 2nd ammendment. And with the Arizona ruling that basically states that state laws don't mean shit if it contradicts federal law, then I don't see how cities like NYC and Chicago can ban weapons that are legal according to the federal government.

I personally believe there are 2 things the government should not be allowed to have knowledge of. That is how much money someone makes and what individuals own guns.

Beyond the Second Amendment there is the NFA which defines everything from the length of a Barrel.The overall length of a Firearm (for something to be considered a "Long Gun" It needs an Overall length of 26 plus inches) What is the maximum bore size (.50) Suppressors, what the make up of a projectile can be, Automatic fire all are defined. Papa's point was the conflicting state laws I believe. What has always been interesting to me is that Canada (which has some of the most prohibitive firearms law of any country) allows the importations of weapons that are illegal here in the US. (the VZ 58 jumps to mind)

[Papa_Complex]

Last I heard it was two employees and the shooter dead.

[nhgunnut]

Originally Posted by Papa_Complex

Last I heard it was two employees and the shooter dead.

The last part is good news, millions saved in trial costs.