overzealous or justified

RACER X · 08-08-2012, 04:09 PM

http://www.courant.com/community/new...,6143955.story

Man With Gun In New Haven Theater Is Immigration Lawyer
Sung-Ho Hwang Is President-Elect Of The New Haven County Bar Association

NEW HAVEN—

The man arrested after police said he brought a loaded handgun into a theater a few weeks after the mass shooting at a Colorado theater is an immigration lawyer who is president-elect of the New Haven County Bar Association.

Sung-Ho Hwang also is a member of the National Asian Pacific American Bar Association, according to that group's website.

The New Haven County Bar Assocation had no comment; he is listed as president-elect on its website. Hwang could not be reached for comment Wednesday morning.
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Hwang, 46, of New Haven, was charged with breach of peace and interfering with police after the incident Tuesday night.

Attorney Hugh Keefe told The Associated Press that he's representing Hwang. He called the arrest baseless and blamed New Haven Chief Dean M. Esserman for ordering it.

Police rushed to the Criterion - Bow Tie Cinemas at 86 Temple St. shortly after 10 p.m. after receiving calls about an armed man in the theater, which was showing the latest Batman movie — the same one that was being show at the time of the Colorado massacre.

The first arriving officers searched the theater, where patrons said they'd seen a man with a gun in a holster. They first searched a theater where "The Watch" was being shown, then found him in a neighboring theater where the Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises," had not yet begun.

Officers went into the theater, ordered the approximately 12 patrons to put their hands up, and had them file out of the theater. They were then patted down as they passed.

When officers located the armed man, who they later identified as Hwang, they drew their weapons and ordered him to put his hands up. He did not comply with their orders and remained in his seat while using his cell phone, police said.

Officers then took him into custody "by force," police said. They removed a loaded handgun from Hwang's waistband at the small of his back, police said. He was handcuffed and removed from the theater.

Police said Hwang has a valid state permit to carry a pistol. Police said he never touched the gun or presented a threat to patrons, but noted that people were on alert because of the mass shooting at a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Colorado.

Esserman, who responded to the scene, met with the nearly 20 officers and two sergeants who responded to the call and praised them for their fast response. Several Yale University police officers also responded.

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Police are trying to figure out why a man took a bag of weapons with him to an Ohio movie theater showing the latest Batman movie.

Authorities confirmed that 37-year-old Scott A. Smith walked into the Regal Cinemas movie theater in Westlake, Ohio, on Saturday night with several weapons, according to Cleveland's NBC-affiliate WKYC. An off-duty police officer and the theater manager became suspicious after noticing that Smith was carrying a beige satchel, WKYC reported.

Smith had bought a ticket for the 10 p.m. showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" at a Regal Cinemas about 16 miles west of Cleveland. He was the first and only person inside the movie theater and he sat in the center seat of the back row -- a position with "tactical advantage," police said, according to WKYC.

He was arrested by off-duty Westlake police officer Jeremiah Bullins, after it was discovered that Smith's bag contained a fully-loaded 9 mm pistol, two full magazines and three knives, according to WKYC. Bullins also found a fourth knife under Smith's clothing.

Smith drove a Toyota truck to the theater, which police impounded, finding a tactical vest inside, WKYC reported.

Saturday's incident in Ohio comes just two weeks after the July 20 shooting rampage at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead and 58 wounded. The Aurora shooting happened at a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises."

"After Colorado anything is possible," Westlake police Lt. Ray Arcuri, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "When you consider the movie he was going to and what happened in Colorado, you have to wonder what would make him want to bring the weapons into that particular film. Our police officer did a great job spotting him."

The Associated Press reported that Smith's defense attorney, Matthew Bruce, said his client brought the weapons for protection and out of fear following the Colorado shooting, and Smith didn't mean to cause any harm or panic.

Except for traffic violations, Smith does not have a criminal record and police said he never made any threats. In Smith's home in the nearby town of North Ridgeville, Westlake police found about eight rifles and handguns, as well as gas masks and bulletproof vests, according to The Plain Dealer.

Smith is married with a young daughter. His wife told police she knew about this gun room but was not aware of his motives, WKYC reported.

Smith faces a minimum of four counts of carrying concealed weapons and more charges could come. He is expected to be arraigned Wednesday.

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of course both incidents happened at Batman showings

shmike · 08-08-2012, 04:14 PM

Was he carrying concealed or open?

Assuming concealed, how did people know he was carrying?

Bluestreak · 08-08-2012, 04:26 PM

Concealment fail!

Trip · 08-08-2012, 04:27 PM

Why not just comply with the cops in the first case and then sue the shit out of them for violating your rights? Well unless the theater had a sign posted...

Being a dick just gets you fucked up.

The second dude was fucking nuts.

Was it on TWFix where we had the article about people carrying into theaters and people called the cops on them? The theatert had a sign posted not allowing handguns. The sign was small so no one saw it. So the cops just had everyone put their guns back in their cars after checking their carry ID and then everyone watched the movie without anyone going to jail or getting a ticket or getting kicked out of the theater. That was decent police work... Need more of that...

Gas Man · 08-09-2012, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip

Why not just comply with the cops in the first case and then sue the shit out of them for violating your rights? Well unless the theater had a sign posted...

Being a dick just gets you fucked up.

The second dude was fucking nuts.

Was it on TWFix where we had the article about people carrying into theaters and people called the cops on them? The theatert had a sign posted not allowing handguns. The sign was small so no one saw it. So the cops just had everyone put their guns back in their cars after checking their carry ID and then everyone watched the movie without anyone going to jail or getting a ticket or getting kicked out of the theater. That was decent police work... Need more of that...

This.

If you play good, then you hold all the cards.

Papa_Complex · 08-10-2012, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trip

Why not just comply with the cops in the first case and then sue the shit out of them for violating your rights? Well unless the theater had a sign posted...

Being a dick just gets you fucked up.

The second dude was fucking nuts.

Was it on TWFix where we had the article about people carrying into theaters and people called the cops on them? The theatert had a sign posted not allowing handguns. The sign was small so no one saw it. So the cops just had everyone put their guns back in their cars after checking their carry ID and then everyone watched the movie without anyone going to jail or getting a ticket or getting kicked out of the theater. That was decent police work... Need more of that...

Ignoring them and talking on his cell might have gotten him shot, if he'd have moved wrong, so his wife would have been suing police. He was probably on the phone to his lawyer. Either that or he had his gun on him knowing that he was going to be a douchewad by talking on his phone, in the theatre, and would need to defend himself from the other movie goers.

fasternyou929 · 08-08-2012, 04:36 PM

Isn't one of the stipulations to a CC license that you cannot carry into any place that charges admission? Or is that only NC?

Smittie61984 · 08-08-2012, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Isn't one of the stipulations to a CC license that you cannot carry into any place that charges admission? Or is that only NC?

Varies state by state a lot. In Illinois there isn't even an option to carry a gun on you, including your own vehicle. Infact I think even in the home the firearm mus be unloaded.

In GA the only prohibited places are churches, schools, and government buildings. You can carry in a bar if you don't drink. BUT the state recognizes the rights of the property owner over you carrying a gun. Some places will have signs that say no weapons and they make them pretty clear.

At one point I was looking into Connecticut becuase my fiancee had a job offer in NYC. IIRC the laws in Connecticut were fairly liberal considering the surrounding states but nowhere near what you would have in the Southeast. I'm pretty sure their law state you can't carry in "public gatherings" which is really subjective because that can mean a lot, including your own home.

Trip · 08-08-2012, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fasternyou929

Isn't one of the stipulations to a CC license that you cannot carry into any place that charges admission? Or is that only NC?

That's not tennessee, you have to have a sign posted. Schools maybe churches are banned too.

Homeslice · 08-09-2012, 10:41 PM

LOL, great job bringing a gun inside a bag, of all places........And knives? What for?

08-08-2012, 04:09 PM	#1
RACER X AMA Supersport Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Richmond, Tx Moto: '10 Tuono Factory Posts: 4,569	overzealous or justified http://www.courant.com/community/new...,6143955.story Man With Gun In New Haven Theater Is Immigration Lawyer Sung-Ho Hwang Is President-Elect Of The New Haven County Bar Association NEW HAVEN— The man arrested after police said he brought a loaded handgun into a theater a few weeks after the mass shooting at a Colorado theater is an immigration lawyer who is president-elect of the New Haven County Bar Association. Sung-Ho Hwang also is a member of the National Asian Pacific American Bar Association, according to that group's website. The New Haven County Bar Assocation had no comment; he is listed as president-elect on its website. Hwang could not be reached for comment Wednesday morning. [Sample Our Free Breaking News Alert And 3 P.M. News Newsletters] Hwang, 46, of New Haven, was charged with breach of peace and interfering with police after the incident Tuesday night. Attorney Hugh Keefe told The Associated Press that he's representing Hwang. He called the arrest baseless and blamed New Haven Chief Dean M. Esserman for ordering it. Police rushed to the Criterion - Bow Tie Cinemas at 86 Temple St. shortly after 10 p.m. after receiving calls about an armed man in the theater, which was showing the latest Batman movie — the same one that was being show at the time of the Colorado massacre. The first arriving officers searched the theater, where patrons said they'd seen a man with a gun in a holster. They first searched a theater where "The Watch" was being shown, then found him in a neighboring theater where the Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises," had not yet begun. Officers went into the theater, ordered the approximately 12 patrons to put their hands up, and had them file out of the theater. They were then patted down as they passed. When officers located the armed man, who they later identified as Hwang, they drew their weapons and ordered him to put his hands up. He did not comply with their orders and remained in his seat while using his cell phone, police said. Officers then took him into custody "by force," police said. They removed a loaded handgun from Hwang's waistband at the small of his back, police said. He was handcuffed and removed from the theater. Police said Hwang has a valid state permit to carry a pistol. Police said he never touched the gun or presented a threat to patrons, but noted that people were on alert because of the mass shooting at a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Colorado. Esserman, who responded to the scene, met with the nearly 20 officers and two sergeants who responded to the call and praised them for their fast response. Several Yale University police officers also responded. ---------------------- http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...olice-say?lite Police are trying to figure out why a man took a bag of weapons with him to an Ohio movie theater showing the latest Batman movie. Authorities confirmed that 37-year-old Scott A. Smith walked into the Regal Cinemas movie theater in Westlake, Ohio, on Saturday night with several weapons, according to Cleveland's NBC-affiliate WKYC. An off-duty police officer and the theater manager became suspicious after noticing that Smith was carrying a beige satchel, WKYC reported. Smith had bought a ticket for the 10 p.m. showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" at a Regal Cinemas about 16 miles west of Cleveland. He was the first and only person inside the movie theater and he sat in the center seat of the back row -- a position with "tactical advantage," police said, according to WKYC. He was arrested by off-duty Westlake police officer Jeremiah Bullins, after it was discovered that Smith's bag contained a fully-loaded 9 mm pistol, two full magazines and three knives, according to WKYC. Bullins also found a fourth knife under Smith's clothing. Smith drove a Toyota truck to the theater, which police impounded, finding a tactical vest inside, WKYC reported. Saturday's incident in Ohio comes just two weeks after the July 20 shooting rampage at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo., that left 12 dead and 58 wounded. The Aurora shooting happened at a showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." "After Colorado anything is possible," Westlake police Lt. Ray Arcuri, told the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "When you consider the movie he was going to and what happened in Colorado, you have to wonder what would make him want to bring the weapons into that particular film. Our police officer did a great job spotting him." The Associated Press reported that Smith's defense attorney, Matthew Bruce, said his client brought the weapons for protection and out of fear following the Colorado shooting, and Smith didn't mean to cause any harm or panic. Except for traffic violations, Smith does not have a criminal record and police said he never made any threats. In Smith's home in the nearby town of North Ridgeville, Westlake police found about eight rifles and handguns, as well as gas masks and bulletproof vests, according to The Plain Dealer. Smith is married with a young daughter. His wife told police she knew about this gun room but was not aware of his motives, WKYC reported. Smith faces a minimum of four counts of carrying concealed weapons and more charges could come. He is expected to be arraigned Wednesday. ----------- of course both incidents happened at Batman showings __________________ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ 2014 GROM! 181cc of FURY 2010 Aprilia Tuono Factory - SOLD 2009 SFV Gladius - SOLD 2008 Hayabusa - SOLD.

08-08-2012, 04:14 PM	#2
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Trip Hold mah beer! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: 80 Miles South of Moto Heaven Moto: 08 R1200GS Posts: 23,268	Why not just comply with the cops in the first case and then sue the shit out of them for violating your rights? Well unless the theater had a sign posted... Being a dick just gets you fucked up. The second dude was fucking nuts. Was it on TWFix where we had the article about people carrying into theaters and people called the cops on them? The theatert had a sign posted not allowing handguns. The sign was small so no one saw it. So the cops just had everyone put their guns back in their cars after checking their carry ID and then everyone watched the movie without anyone going to jail or getting a ticket or getting kicked out of the theater. That was decent police work... Need more of that...

08-08-2012, 04:36 PM	#7
fasternyou929 SFL Expatriate #2 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Raleigh, NC Moto: CBR1000 Posts: 2,043	Isn't one of the stipulations to a CC license that you cannot carry into any place that charges admission? Or is that only NC?

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Homeslice Elitist Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area Moto: Gix 750 Posts: 11,351	LOL, great job bringing a gun inside a bag, of all places........And knives? What for?