Seems to have had a bit of an anger management problem. Two incidents are being cited in which he blew his stack, then fired a weapon. Sounds like the sort of person who should have lost his 'right.' Not that it would have necessarily stopped someone like him, but there's no need to facilitate him either.

Unconfirmed report is that he purchased a shotgun in VA, broke it down in a bag to get thru security, then used it to take an AR and a pistol from an officer on base.

Well ordered 2 lowers and 10 pmags , $246 delivered

Unless it was a private purchase he would have had to pass a background check for any gun he brought with him. Based on the initial information coming out about his history I would think there are more than enough reasons for him not to pass.

I agree, based on what is being said about this guy's history he would seem to be the ideal candidate to get flagged by a background check. If these reports are accurate, and he bought the gun/s himself, there was a breakdown in the system somewhere.

n ot really, ftf there is no background check, just falls into anti 2a. agenda

And therein lies a massive issue.

CNN was on the air earlier reporting that he did NOT have an AR but a shotgun and possibly two stolen (from security) pistols. They are saying he bought the shotgun last week in VA and rented an AR. He attempted to buy an AR at the same store but was refused according to their ATF source. No word currently on why they would not sell him the rifle.

[ 8:55 a.m. ET] Authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the shooting, federal law enforcement sources said. Investigators believe Alexis brought a shotgun into the compound and may have taken two handguns from guards, the sources said.

Initial reports said Alexis used an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle during the attack, but by Tuesday, law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation said that was not the case.

It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday's shooting, the officials said. Investigators have recovered three weapons from the scene, including a shotgun that Alexis is believed to have brought into the compound. The other two weapons – handguns – the sources say, may have been taken from guards.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/17...why/?hpt=hp_t1

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-conten...15-shotgun.jpg



thats cuz it was an Ar-15 shotgun!

Yesterday they reported it was an AR-14

So far I've seen...

he started with a shotgun, killed two guys to get their pistol and AR
he started with an AR, pistol, and shotgun
he started with a shotgun, killed two guys to get their pistols
he started with a shotgun and two pistols

he had his concealed carry revoked
he had a current concealed carry
he got his concealed carry after two prior gun incidents

... there's more, but those are the big ones...

It's enough to make you wonder if the tinfoilers are right after all.

You know what you HAVE NOT seen?

http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/u...l_sharpton.jpg

He had 5 tomahawks, 4 grenade launchers, 3 tommy guns, 2 Kashelnikovs, and a baby killin assualt 15.

Heard an interesting comment today, about this. it was essentially, "So, NRA, MORE guns will make us safe? Who has more than the military?"

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin

"Them what give guns to looney tunes get shot in the face." - Me

The shooter took a weapon into a known gun free zone. The other weapons were taken from security.

If the regular folks had weapons, he would not have gotten off as many shots and even more likely, would have not picked a spot were folks were armed.

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Did he or did he not have a "secret" military clearance? I had heard his clearance was just recently renewed.

I'm not buying it. Not in a place that had heavily armed security.

He had 'secret' clearance. That pretty much meant he was allowed past the gate, and not much else. Hell, the janitors probably have 'secret' level clearance.

Yen secret clearance is a dome a dozen, doesn't mean anything. I would safely very that almost every member on here who has any affiliation with the gov has at least secret

I had q level clearance when I was in nuclear, yey! Bet that gives you faith.

once he got past the 1st perimeter, there were no guns....see how well that worked out.

same w. N Hassan base shooting, there were no guns.

thanks clinton!

Failure of security. They'll search you for cameras, but not for guns?

Sure, the Military has lots of guns. Maybe some of our Military members can weigh in but from what I understand on a base here stateside they are all locked up and people on base are prohibited from carrying. Outside of a few security guards nobody is carrying a gun.

To answer the comment more specifically I'd say the clientele of your average Starbucks in the South (with their surprising policy concerning firearms) has more accessible guns than a military base in America.

And yet Starbucks doesn't have a check in/check out procedure.

yup, that's our next gun 22lr compact, I can paint it up for girl child

How does that relate to the comment you heard or its implication that this shooting demonstrates the NRA's thinking is wrong?

Related to my comment about Starbucks, looks like they are caving to pressure and changing their policy about guns.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/18/news...html?hpt=hp_c2

I haven't heard about 12 people being shot at a Starbucks recently.

cuz there.s more potential for armed/ loaded gun carriers to be there vs a military base

:skep:

That actually speaks more to goof2's point, although I don't really think there's a causal relationship between the number of weapons at Starbucks and the fact that the two recent military base attacks didn't happen at Starbucks instead.

The Fort Hood shooting was a terrorist action, so Hasan's own base was the most "logical" target. Alexis is apparently just a nutjob, so in my complete layman's opinion, the attack would be most likely to happen in a place where he's most familiar (i.e. his workplace). In either case, there were overwhelming motivations to attack the base, relative to the motivations to attack some random Starbucks.

If you can get inside the gate (all you need is military or contractor ID), you will never find a bigger, softer target than a stateside US military base. As goof2 pointed out, ALL the weapons (in many cases even personal knives) are locked away in the armory and there is no concealed carry. So any attack will be met with a severely delayed response. In that respect, people on a military base have fewer means to defend themselves against firearm attacks than civilians on the outside. It is a perfect illustration of the "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" cliche.

How about we talk about guns in this thread.

Damn skippy! What the fuck were we thinking, talking about a gun-related topic in a gun thread on a motorcycle forum?

Actual guns, not politics.

I'll help out

What lowers you get and where? Thinking about starting an AR build myself. Probably not looking for long range, more of a plinker 100 yard fun with a holo or something similar.

Do I want a Ruger MK III Hunter with fluted barrel or a Ruger 22/45 lite that's threaded? The difference is $60.00

Hunter:
http://i43.tinypic.com/eaqiq0.jpg

22/45 lite:
http://i40.tinypic.com/10ghik6.jpg

OK, those stopped me dead. Drrroooooool.

This.

Trip, I don't know if you are set on building (I would be) but CDNN has a couple DPMS AR-15 carbines for under $600.

Www.fatboytactical.net

anderson lower, never heard if them, read some decent reviews, then friend told me he built his 300blk w one, really liked it

They also have lower and upper for $155

Www.gearhog.com

buy a $40 brownells credit for $20

Ordered 4 pmags for a little over $30 delivered

Ill take the lite for every day and the hunter if I was in a James Bond movie.


You SCAR guys now have a choice of 10", 13", and 14" of hard cold hammered steel.

http://www.copesdistributing.com/988...ly-p-7239.html

http://www.copesdistributing.com/988...ly-p-7241.html

http://www.copesdistributing.com/988...ly-p-7240.html

Trip this is a deal for a COMPLETE lower


http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...c-edition.html

Short barrel 22/45 if you plan to suppress. I'm just waiting on my stamp :rockwoot:

think I'm going to register that lowers as pistols, that way I can either way

picked up that 22lr American compact, next pink and flat clear fusion paint

went and sh ot the bolt action, that gun is fun, accurate, trigger was great

friend at range had a supr. AAC bolted right up to my takedown, that's my next toy. even my 4yo took some rounds w the supr, youngest supr user EVAR! Lol

Where are yall getting suppressors? Do I have to find someone local? I been thinking about getting one for awhile for my 10/22. Can't you get them for the 223 that will also work with the 10/22? What should I be looking for?

local place has trust paperwork for free when you buy from them.

otherwise you'll need an atty ( whichh is better), $300

tax stamp $200
1yr wait

Silencershop.com NFA wait time is at/over a year, so you don't want to add to the wait by ordering something that's not in stock.

.22 will lead up a suppressor so you wan't one that is able to be taken apart for cleaning. A .22 suppressor, 7.62 suppressor and a .45 suppressor will cover you on .17, .22/.223, 7.62/9mm, .40, .45. I'm waiting on a Silencerco Sparrow.

Back in August they got the online form 4 submission up and running. It will eventually make it faster. Atfonline.gov You can submit form 1 and 4s electronically for llc and trusts. Individuals still have to do the paper form. You create an account and then attach your ffl to the account. Once approved you can submit. Has a place to attach copies of trusts or corp paperwork. You pay electronically as well.

Also talked to ATF back in august, they have over 46k forms to approve. They just hired 3 new examiners and 6 more are queued up to be hired. That will double their staff and should help out. It may take 2-3 months for all the examiners to be trained and ready, but once they are I think we'll see a HUGE slash in wait times

Too bad for me I go the individual route since my sheriff will sign off on the forms. Hopefully things will stabilize soon.

I didn't think you could use a 22lr silencer with 223, thought you had to go the other way around 223 silencer for 22.

A .223 round should not be shot through a .22lr silencer. Reason: gas volume. The .22lr silencers are very small and light weight (to not add stress to the short/small .22lr barrel) and not made to withstand the blow that comes from a .233 round

You CAN shoot a .22lr through a .223 silencer but the silencer you'd use for a .223 (MUCH heavier/bulkier) cannot be disassembled and the .22lr round discharges a massive amount of carbon and crap that NEEDS to be cleaned after use.

The GOOD .22lr silencers are not sealed so you CAN get them apart and clean them.

It's best to have a dedicated .22lr silencer, and then get a 30 caliber multi for your .223 That way you can ALSO use it on a .308 or 7.62 if you choose.


I breezed through his post and MISSED that confusion

You can't. You don't want to shoot .22 through a .223 suppressor either. .22 powder is filthy and the non-jacketed lead bullets splatter molten lead particles that build up in the suppressors. The better .22 silencers can be disassembled for clean that out of them.

Get a .22 can and a 7.62 can. That way you can shoot .223 and 7.62 through the 7.62 suppressor and .22LR, .22 magnum and .17 HMR through the rimfire can.

Hopefully it's clearer now.

ATF is trying to make changes to trusts. Just breezing through it, so I could well be wrong, but it looks like they want CLEO signoff, pictures, prints, same as individuals do now.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!documen...2013-0001-0001

Well ordered a threaded tacsol barrel for the 10/22, need to decide which can I want and get to a local dealer.

Really like that Sparrow that twobanger got, also considering the Spectre

Anyone else got recommendations for one?

I bought the Thompson Machine ISIS-22

http://www.thompsonmachine.net/img/sup/I22/i1.jpg

I only paid $275 for it!

Good GAWD it's quiet! And light as HELL. Full break down for cleaning.

I shot it at my dealers house (he lives in a crackerbox hood where houses are 5ft appart) in his back yard. No record, no echo, no signature. Just the sound of the slide of the pistol ejecting a round. Sounded like an airsoft pistol going off

Not so much a recommendation, but I will say that I love my little gemtech Outback . had it since 05 and it has held up well function hasn't changed. I have regularly used the Mite and the Wraith from Yankee Hill and tried a few other brands of cans. As far as the way they sound I can't hear any difference when they are side by side despite the manufactures claims. I would say buy the one you like the looks of Period.
Apart from that when I want it extra quiet on a rifle I will run my 223 can on the 22 long rifle. Good 22 subs out the end of my Tacl Sol AR22 with the Gemtech Halo on it sounds like a staple gun.

Well add me to the waiting list, bought a spectre II for 300 paperwork going off next week....

Okay need more of you AR nuts help with my 10/22.

I am going to sell my shitty Archangel stock and go something nicer.

Nordic sells this 3 piece kit that lets you use AR furniture. I need some help determining what all I need besides the basic furniture.

Here is the kit:

http://nordiccomp.com/retail/shop/10...or-ruger-1022/

I need to figure out all what I need for furniture.

Thinking about this for stock or one of the MOE kits:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...kit-black.html

Just a cheap grip:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...stol-grip.html

Where I get confused is grips, what all do I need and whats a good cheap 4 rail one? Any idea what all other parts I would need to get it to connect it correctly?

I've got an extra stock and A2 grip just lying around I could send you. That way all you'll need to get is the buffer tube, castle nut and yoke if needed. That they specify free float puts a kink in low cost, but the prices on their free float tubes is pretty good.

Better yet they have a complete kit:

http://nordiccomp.com/retail/shop/10...dj-butt-stock/

+ four of these and you have your quad rail.

http://nordiccomp.com/retail/shop/ar...th-hand-guard/

Ruger SR22RDS - $487

http://www.slickguns.com/product/rug...lk-487-shipped

BX-25 - $20.73

http://www.slickguns.com/product/rug...magazines-2073

M&P 15-22 loading asset buttons

http://www.slickguns.com/product/mp-...ur-magazines-2

Yeah I think I may just buy the SR-22 and sell the 10/22. Buying the SR-22 looks like it will cost about the same price as buying all the parts for the 10/22 and the SR-22 is the same nordic chassis.... That's retarded...

Purchased a SR22 from Buds, gonna send the tacsol barrel back for a refund since the SR22 is already threaded. Doing it this way is going to basically save me the cost of the 10/22. That's just ridiculous.

Found someone on ebay that does the rails like I want them for cheap, so that was easy.

there are emails from SA does not even have a fix for the XDS yet, this is turning into a nightmare for them

my takedown had a threaded barrel, I will prob end up threading the bolt gun too

Just an a coup of Arts and Crafts projects
Some whittling
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...psaafe9271.jpg
All Hall Hollowed Out but Naked
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...pscc03533e.jpg
All Dressed up in Cerakote.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps18e41c8e.jpg

An entirely different little project , PSA is working against my saving up for anything but here is the kit I ordered from them on a cheap little AR15 lower
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps452523d2.jpg

I don't mean to be argumentative, but I shoot 22 through my Gemtech Halo all the time. Not an exaggeration to say a thousand rounds of 22 for every hundred 223 . And while you are correct 22 is filthy stuff tthe first 10 rounds of 223 cleans it right out. That said I agree if you are just starting your stamp collection. The cans you want are 22 Lr. 7.62 (you can anything from 22. LR through 7.62x54R in most and some are rated through 300 win mag ) and for centerfire pistol a 45acp can.

i take it, it's one of those 80% lowers? nice, wish I had the tooling and skill, lol

There are youtube vids all over the place of people finishing them with Drill presses, My buddy has a bridgeport so we used it. The skill if you get the right jigs is not all that important. My Buddy and I split the cost tactical machining's 5 80% lowers and there DYI Jig set .. TM Jigs are Great

SR22 came in today, swapped all my upgraded volquartsen parts over from the 10/22 to the SR21, waiting on rails to come in. Be a long time before I get my Spectre II unfortunately....

Just ordered my first auto knife, now that they are legal in Tx

have my 3rd takedown being delivered today, 2nd one for sale now

got a SS one w/ threaded barrel

Not long ago (3 weeks ago) I had a bit of a weird day. I was telling a friend how much I liked my YHM 7.62x39 AR so he called them and was told they were phasing the out. So later that day when I ran into a friend that works for YHM I asked and he confirmed, I bitched a bit and then he offered to sell me a bolt he had sent aside for future build His price was reasonable so I took it. The on the way home I stopped by a gun shop I don't usually frequent and there was a guy in his late twenties selling off a bunch of stuff to the shop (getting screwed to) but the owner of the shop didn't want and of that "Assault Rifle Junk" I waited for the guy to come out and asked if I could have a look. We drove about a mile to a rest area and I was picking through his stuff. He had a samson evo that someone had try duracoat and it was a mess and he had a YHM 7.62x39 barrel. I gave the kid a reasonable offer and he through in a FDE Magpull grip. Not an hour later I was at my local shop where I knew they had a YHM upper marked 7.62x39. So within a matter few a few hours I had almost everything I needed to complete the rifle. Here is it is on a TM 80% that I finished up. I cerakoted all the furniture OD green and finished it up with a PSA LPK .
I have ordered a Set Of YHM sights and will eventually put a real optic on it. for now though it is hard to bitch bout the little Primary Arm MicroDot.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...psc91dfddc.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps967cfb01.jpg

wow, essential overnight

http://i39.tinypic.com/33vhg5s.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30vdxdw.jpg

Very Sweet! congratulations ,, you know it is funny , auto openers have been legal long enough here in NH I am no longer surprised to see them on the shelf at local shops.

http://i41.tinypic.com/90d25g.jpg

:boobs:

Nice. His and hers?

Very nice 10/22s, who'd you get the bolt handle from on the black barrel one from? I got a Rimfire Technologies one on the way for mine. Didn't like the look of the Volquartsen one too much, but they do make quality stuff, got a trigger kit, auto bolt release, mag release, and recoil buffer from them.

kidd charge handle, spring and buffer

trigger and auto bolt done by guy recommended on rimfire central, excellent work for $75 exchanged.

all pieces go on the silver one, black one is FS

silver threaded is my 3rd takedown this yr, lol

also have the pink painted ruger American, bolt action 22

Starting mods on my SR 22

Installed:
Cheap Bushnell Red Dot
Top rail from someone on Amazon
Iron Eagle Hand Guard Cover
Rimfire Technologies Bolt Handle
Volquartsen Auto Bolt Release, Recoil Buffer, Trigger Kit, Extractor, mag release

Waiting on:
Side/Bottom rails from dlaskarmscorp on eBay
Spectre II suppressor - BOOO ON WAITING!

Want to find some other fun mods to do to it.

Well since you are going "tacticool" have you thought about a Laser/light combo?
Stock up on 25 rounders?

I bought a ncstar laser for the old 10/22, but it stays off the gun for the most part because dog loves to chase the laser around the house/yard.

My wife didn't like me outside with a tacticool gun pointed at the dog. :lol:

I have about 6 BX25s, 2 butler creeks, and 6 AR22 mags. The AR22 mags suck, they jam like every 2 or 3 rounds. In process of replacing them with BX25s. Butler creeks are ok reliable, only got those because that was the only thing I could find when I first got the 10/22.

So I had built up another 223 AR off a PSA kit (mostly cause I had some money and they had an inexpensive kit (The PTAC kit with the YHM rail) I had also been building out my YHM parts based 7.82x39 AR of the two I love the 7.62x39 and wanted a good optic for it. So I set out last evening to trade the 223 a Aimpoint and some ammo.. It didn't work out that way. The boys at the local Funshop know I have a weakness for FN so instead I came home with a Aimpoint Patrol and this FNX 45
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps5ccea475.jpg

https://www.silencershop.com/100-reb...lent-promotion

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.d2k&cad=rja

Those fuckers had to do it after i bought my Spectre II, lol...

My safe got delivered today. Got a great deal on a Superior Encore 22. I would liked to have gotten a slightly bigger one, but this one was priced right and no sales tax cause I bought it in Georgia. 1350F for 60 mins. Not a great safe but a lot better than the ones I was looking at for a similar price.

you're gonna outgrow it quick, mine's getting full.......

might buy a ruger 22/45 lite w/ burris fastfire tom. night., if i sell off my black threadedbarrel takedown

Probably, but I have shut up the wife for now and can buy more guns by just getting a safe.

I got a 36 gun fire safe for almost 50% off at Home depot. Couldn't pass it up. Been needing a safe for a long time.

Haven't made time to organize it so I just pulled everything out and stacked 70% of my ammo and all my rifles. Almost got the door stuck shut.

Nice

I got put on a "no more guns til you get a safe" command. I have a safe any saved money for more guns, if they don't fit in it, I am not too worried. LoL

Yours has a better burn time. Mine is only 1400F for 30 minutes. My house better burn down quick.

Like a BOSS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6yPUZl8ew

make sure its bolted down, they can drag that bich pretty easily if it's not.

mine's really an ammo safe w/ a few guns

Mine is 600lbs empty and was a bitch to get in the house. Its now full of surplus ammo. Its not going anywhere.

Same here. I took the door off and stripped the insides (added more fireproofing and changed the interior configuration some) and that made it light enough for 3 people to muscle into the room I wanted it. Then I drilled (4) 5/8" holes for all threaded rod and dropped 4 rods down thru the floor to below the floor joists. In the crawlspace I mounted unistrut to the bottoms of the threaded rods with a joist between 2 bolts in an X pattern. That safe's not moving, but It's packed full. I have other avenues I'm exploring now.

WHen I build our next house I'm savaging a bank vault door (actually it's an old elementary school walk-in vault door) I have at the office warehouse and building a 12" block solid poured "room" in a corner of the basement with at LEAST 12'x12' for guns, ammo, and "other" dry storage. Think "Tremors" rec room :lol:

they push it over onto a bed sheet and pull it out, 100lb safe lady pulled an empty safe across the room..... 2x200lb, men, yeah it'll get out if the house

You cant get it out of the room on its side. Theyre fucked.

you got it in there, they have more determination and don't give a damm... I essentially helped my neighbor move his safe in/ out total of 3x, that basturd owes me, lol

dang 22/45 sold before I got there, had a low round count " gold " one w a burris fastfire sight for $500, lined up... uh

If they can get into my house and not trigger the alarm or trigger the alarm and get it up the steep ass hill. I am fine replacing all my shit via insurance. LoL

If they want to get a vehicle in there to get the safe out and up the steep ass hill, they will have to crash through my fence. If people are that desperate, I am sure my safe is the least thing I will be worried about...

It would be pretty damn impressive.

You dont know tge layout of my house and how I got it in the room so let it go.